Single and Double deck spreads

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SystemsTrader

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I'm going to be hitting Vegas shortly and was wondering what are good benchmark standards for bet spreads in single and double deck? As an east coast counter I only play against 6 and 8 deck. I assume 1-4 for single deck and about 1-8 double deck? At what point does the heat start up? Once I get some advice here I will run my own sims to fine tune it for ror. I am a very aggressive spreader so I don't mind hit and running.
 
Think it depends where you play. On the shallow end of the pool,where I swim,you'll attract attention switching from red to greens at El Cortez or The Vegas Club.
i've read that people go $25-400 at some of the MGM properties,but can't attest to it.
 
As I said in an extensive post in the counting forum a few minutes ago, I spread 1-3 in Vegas DD games and have never had any kind of heat. Obviously, I'm a conservative player.

I think 1-8 is a good goal. But I would think heavily about spreading to two hands when you want to get more out. I see a lot of players play two hands at the $25 tables with 3 or 4 chips on each and not drawing any undue attention from the house.

Most places in Vegas will make you double the table min. on each hand if you play 2 hands, so there is built-in cover in the play.

HTH,
CP
 
SystemsTrader said:
I'm going to be hitting Vegas shortly and was wondering what are good benchmark standards for bet spreads in single and double deck? As an east coast counter I only play against 6 and 8 deck. I assume 1-4 for single deck and about 1-8 double deck? At what point does the heat start up? Once I get some advice here I will run my own sims to fine tune it for ror. I am a very aggressive spreader so I don't mind hit and running.
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1-8 is fine for DD. Don't forget to look around for good pen. A DD game with mediocre pen is no better than a good shoe game.
 
General rule downtown on SD or DD seems to be no spreading to two hands after the first round. Either two hands on a fresh suffle,or one hand all the way.
 
I usually spread 1-6 on SD and 1-8 on DD. I will also Wong in/out several times per hour. I play mostly downtown where the decent SD and DD games are. The heat will usually be there by around TC+4, but it's not so bad if you're playing for low stakes ($5 min). You can pretty much get away with anything if you don't act suspicious or look guilty. Playing for higher stakes ($25 min or higher) will bring you attention right away. Without a good act the attention will turn into heat pretty quickly. The strip is more tolerant of $25 DD players.

-Sonny-
 
SystemsTrader said:
I'm going to be hitting Vegas shortly and was wondering what are good benchmark standards for bet spreads in single and double deck? As an east coast counter I only play against 6 and 8 deck. I assume 1-4 for single deck and about 1-8 double deck? At what point does the heat start up? Once I get some advice here I will run my own sims to fine tune it for ror. I am a very aggressive spreader so I don't mind hit and running.
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I used a 1-5 spread at some of the best games in vegas, on the strip... It seemed I had heat pretty early on, but I think I was red flagged from the time i gave them my players card because of my previous trip where i played 10+ hours with a 1-10 spread. However I continued to play many many hours at two casinos in particular, the heat seemed to continue to grow and so did my spread as I won more money and I got closer to the end of my trip. During the last hour of play I was spreading $100-$1000. I believe the dealer was a card counter as he went and reported to the PB after every other shoe or so. It didnt help that i seemed to just keep winning and winning. It was getting late The amount of suits kept growing and I placed my last bet at the end of the two decks. As I was walking out they stoped me and informed me that I'm now flat betted at these two places. Overall I must have played around 14 hours at these two casinos over a couple days and I won about 17k. Unfortunately I lost 12k across the street! Overall I still ended up with a small profit for my trip. Obviously I overstayed my welcome!
 
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I used a 1-5 spread at some of the best games in vegas, on the strip... It seemed I had heat pretty early on, but I think I was red flagged from the time i gave them my players card because of my previous trip where i played 10+ hours with a 1-10 spread. However I continued to play many many hours at two casinos in particular, the heat seemed to continue to grow and so did my spread as I won more money and I got closer to the end of my trip. During the last hour of play I was spreading $100-$1000. I believe the dealer was a card counter as he went and reported to the PB after every other shoe or so. It didnt help that i seemed to just keep winning and winning. It was getting late The amount of suits kept growing and I placed my last bet at the end of the two decks. As I was walking out they stoped me and informed me that I'm now flat betted at these two places. Overall I must have played around 14 hours at these two casinos over a couple days and I won about 17k. Unfortunately I lost 12k across the street! Overall I still ended up with a small profit for my trip. Obviously I overstayed my welcome!
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