Ace Sequencing Accuracy

[assume_R]

If you use 2 key cards in an 8-deck shoe, after you see those key cards, you would bet more and play more spots as to receive the Ace, right? But how frequently does the Ace, due to the shuffle, end up nowhere near those 2 key cards? I assume it depends on the shuffle, but is there an answer "in general"?

Do you have to map the shuffle yourself (by simulation) and then figure out the probability that the Ace follows those 2 key cards by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ... cards?

I assume that the advantage is significant enough that you wouldn't even need to wong out too much or count cards even if this occurs once per shoe (or 3 times per hour).

 

[zengrifter]

If you use 2 key cards in an 8-deck shoe, after you see those key cards, you would bet more and play more spots as to receive the Ace, right? But how frequently does the Ace, due to the shuffle, end up nowhere near those 2 key cards? I assume it depends on the shuffle, but is there an answer "in general"?

In general the Ace and keycards remain very close.
Does NOT much depend on shuffle.

Do you have to map the shuffle yourself (by simulation) and then figure out the probability that the Ace follows those 2 key cards by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ... cards?

No. Its not very shuffle sensitive, especially for 6-8D. zg

 

[aslan]

It would not be difficult to replicate at home with 6 decks of cards, mimicking a standard casino shuffle.

 

[nicetrades200303]

After reading about keycarding aces, I went to different local casinos and did nothing but watched dealers’ shuffles and keying aces on the 2D games. What I noticed was that if the dealers didn’t riffle the cards well (riffles falling in small clumps) before putting them into the automatic shuffle machine, the aces and keycards, as zengrifter said, remained close to each other—on a few occasions, intact.

It would not be difficult to replicate at home with 6 decks of cards, mimicking a standard casino shuffle.

Aslan, do you need an automatic shuffle machine at home to replicate this?

 

[aslan]

After reading about keycarding aces, I went to different local casinos and did nothing but watched dealers’ shuffles and keying aces on the 2D games. What I noticed was that if the dealers didn’t riffle the cards well (riffles falling in small clumps) before putting them into the automatic shuffle machine, the aces and keycards, as zengrifter said, remained close to each other—on a few occasions, intact.



Aslan, do you need an automatic shuffle machine at home to replicate this?

It certainly wouldn't hurt. Why, have you got one you could loan me?

 

[nicetrades200303]

It certainly wouldn't hurt. Why, have you got one you could loan me?

How much would the Shuffle Master MD2 cost? If it’s less than two thousand, I’ll get you one for Christmas, provided you share two thousand dollars worth of sequencing experience/knowledge. Deal?

Got these texts from the Shuffle Master website:

The MD2 Workstation combines the multi-tasking capability of the MD2 batch shuffler with proprietary software that counts, reads and verifies each card as it is being shuffled, making it the perfect addition to your back-of-house and pit operations.

The MD2 Workstation produces detailed reports that reveal the accuracy and composition of each deck for off-table and back-of-house verification.

“counts, reads and verifies each card as it is being shuffled”
“reports that reveal the accuracy and composition of each deck”

That’s some scary stuff in favor of the casino.

 

[aslan]

How much would the Shuffle Master MD2 cost? If it’s less than two thousand, I’ll get you one for Christmas, provided you share two thousand dollars worth of sequencing experience/knowledge. Deal?

Got these texts from the Shuffle Master website:

The MD2 Workstation combines the multi-tasking capability of the MD2 batch shuffler with proprietary software that counts, reads and verifies each card as it is being shuffled, making it the perfect addition to your back-of-house and pit operations.

The MD2 Workstation produces detailed reports that reveal the accuracy and composition of each deck for off-table and back-of-house verification.

“counts, reads and verifies each card as it is being shuffled”
“reports that reveal the accuracy and composition of each deck”

That’s some scary stuff in favor of the casino.

We cannot use devices: definitely, casinos should not be allowed to use devices. I wonder if a class action suit is possible?

 

[Gamblor]

The MD2 Workstation produces detailed reports that reveal the accuracy and composition of each deck for off-table and back-of-house verification.

“counts, reads and verifies each card as it is being shuffled”
“reports that reveal the accuracy and composition of each deck”

That’s some scary stuff in favor of the casino.

I don't the know, the same machines that sometimes spits out the deck, and half the cards are face up, and the green light is on that indicates the shuffle was complete and good and all the cards are there?

 

[Zero]

How much would the Shuffle Master MD2 cost? If it’s less than two thousand...

AFAIK you can't buy one. And only a casino can lease one. And they're about $15,000 per year to lease.

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[Most Interesting Man]

I have been toying with this but have seen the ace come out before the keys. I still need more work.

 

[metronome]

After reading about keycarding aces, I went to different local casinos and did nothing but watched dealers’ shuffles and keying aces on the 2D games. What I noticed was that if the dealers didn’t riffle the cards well (riffles falling in small clumps) before putting them into the automatic shuffle machine, the aces and keycards, as zengrifter said, remained close to each other—on a few occasions, intact.



Aslan, do you need an automatic shuffle machine at home to replicate this?

nicetrades, our esteemed aslan will probably offer to shoot some 9-ball for the rights to the ASM.