looking for a mentor

Gamblor said:
I can answer this with an emphatic hellz no. I sit there all day taking punishment, hoping for the nice violent upswing, which sometimes comes, sometimes doesn't.

Unless you lose your concentration after playing a long time, I would recommend you play as long as possible. Jeez, there are plenty of times I sit there moderately up, and piss it all away.
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If you left every time you were moderately up wouldnt you always be ahead? Xd
 
cowboysnaces said:
If you left every time you were moderately up wouldnt you always be ahead? Xd
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Well, +50 is pretty up there, I have a stop-win maximum that's a little more than that. Not to "always win", which of course you won't, but more to do with heat.

Think of it, you can win more money! In all seriousness, as others here mention, its all one long session.
 
cowboysnaces said:
If you left every time you were moderately up wouldnt you always be ahead? Xd
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Impossible to determine with the given data. Moderately is undefined. If you leave every time you are up "moderately" you'd never have a big win (whatever that is-also undefined). Then you are going to have losses of varying amounts and frequencies. The idea is to win big and win often and to keep losses small and infrequent. Sounds good in theory but in actual practice it's very difficult to keep losses small at times.
 
"If you left every time you were moderately up wouldnt you always be ahead ?"

Spoken like someone who has about 8 hands of BJ under his belt. :laugh:
 
My turn....

OP, here's where I think the frustration with new players stems:

- If a player is brand new to counting in general, there is so much info on the internet that, aside from asking something like 'I've been looking at two systems. These are the games available to me. I think x system is best suited for my situation. Opinions?', it sounds like the new player hasn't done their homework or isn't bright enough to last long cc'ing. No one is going to do the basic legwork for anyone. Unlike me, most people have a life.

- Once a player begins play inside a casino, questions like, 'I'm having a tough time with x. Will someone please tell me if this is ordinary and, if so, does anyone have tips for me to improve?' are appropriate. Statements like, 'If I leave a winner every time, I'll always be a winner.' are not.

- When a player says, 'I have x bankroll and I know I'm going to be a winner...', most experienced players view that attitude as naive. Until a new player has many, many hours under their belt, how they deal with things like variance, the grind, etc. is completely unknown. You will lose. Hopefully you won't go broke, but you should already know the chance, in percentage points, that you might bust out. Again, reading through the vast amount of material available here and elsewhere prior to asking something like 'Why is everyone so rude? I just want some help, but I haven't read enough to know what I need help with exactly!' will lead the new player to ask intelligent questions rather than ask questions that give the appearance that they want a babysitter, not a mentor.

- I hate to say this, but if someone says, 'I play with my GF and the elderly, many of whom are schizos, bi-polar, etc. I'm getting some solid experience because my opponents live on the boundries of society!', they are only going to be met with sharp remarks. If they don't understand why, they haven't read enough or are not ready mentally/emotionally for AP blackjack.

- Did I say that no one is going to babysit a new player? The folks here really will help someone who is trying to help themself. If it doesn't seem that's the case, the new player is asking the wrong questions. The right questions should be intuitive. If they aren't, see: 'they haven't read enough or are not ready mentally/emotionally for AP blackjack.'

- Every experienced player knows that the majority of new players will not last. The players who will last are not asking the questions or making the comments you have made. It doesn't mean that you're hopeless, but it does mean that you need to step back and take a look at your approach if you're serious about pursuing AP blackjack.

Best of luck, and I wish you well.

L.I.A.
 
LovinItAll said:
My turn....

OP, here's where I think the frustration with new players stems:

- If a player is brand new to counting in general, there is so much info on the internet that, aside from asking something like 'I've been looking at two systems. These are the games available to me. I think x system is best suited for my situation. Opinions?', it sounds like the new player hasn't done their homework or isn't bright enough to last long cc'ing. No one is going to do the basic legwork for anyone. Unlike me, most people have a life.

- Once a player begins play inside a casino, questions like, 'I'm having a tough time with x. Will someone please tell me if this is ordinary and, if so, does anyone have tips for me to improve?' are appropriate. Statements like, 'If I leave a winner every time, I'll always be a winner.' are not.

- When a player says, 'I have x bankroll and I know I'm going to be a winner...', most experienced players view that attitude as naive. Until a new player has many, many hours under their belt, how they deal with things like variance, the grind, etc. is completely unknown. You will lose. Hopefully you won't go broke, but you should already know the chance, in percentage points, that you might bust out. Again, reading through the vast amount of material available here and elsewhere prior to asking something like 'Why is everyone so rude? I just want some help, but I haven't read enough to know what I need help with exactly!' will lead the new player to ask intelligent questions rather than ask questions that give the appearance that they want a babysitter, not a mentor.

- I hate to say this, but if someone says, 'I play with my GF and the elderly, many of whom are schizos, bi-polar, etc. I'm getting some solid experience because my opponents live on the boundries of society!', they are only going to be met with sharp remarks. If they don't understand why, they haven't read enough or are not ready mentally/emotionally for AP blackjack.

- Did I say that no one is going to babysit a new player? The folks here really will help someone who is trying to help themself. If it doesn't seem that's the case, the new player is asking the wrong questions. The right questions should be intuitive. If they aren't, see: 'they haven't read enough or are not ready mentally/emotionally for AP blackjack.'

- Every experienced player knows that the majority of new players will not last. The players who will last are not asking the questions or making the comments you have made. It doesn't mean that you're hopeless, but it does mean that you need to step back and take a look at your approach if you're serious about pursuing AP blackjack.

Best of luck, and I wish you well.

L.I.A.
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Valid points. When i said i was looking for.mentor, I wasnt meaning a baby sitter. I was meaning more a live person in the wa area would could evaluate my skills thus far (in training) and tell me if i am training appropriately for practical application. Y'see I'm getting to the point where i feel I'm almost ready to go to ye olde casino and run a few tests to just, 'see how it goes.'

And my training involves much more than play with my gf or with my residents. I can count.down a deck in 20-22 secs, I know my bs for my local game flawlessly. I can do the math for true edge conversion easily, though my discard tray deck estimation tends to be off by greater degrees as more decks are stacked up. That is my current focus though I review all of it daily, and im confident my eyes will continue.to calibrte themselves as I train. I have not learned any strategy variations, butim.thinkin about it.

I understand kelly betting and will be.half kelly betting on a br of 3k which is what the bj school suggests which is the training aid I have used.most. Read blackbelt in blackjack. Understood blackbelt in blackjack and took a liking to true edge.method.

And there may be a lot of.information on this forum, but I've been pokin around here for about 7 months before I registered and from what I've.seen most topics.of.discussion seem to devolve.in to argument between self titled forum experts or grow into these huge and abstract theoretical debates. So its a little time consuming to sift through it all and a real bummer when you find your question has already been asked.by someone but that a satisfying answer was.never reached cause they argued bout it and the thread eventually became fotgotten.

So.... yeah. I know my.posts seem to indicate that I'm absolutely clueless, but im not nearly that helpless.
 
And that moderatly up comment. Kinda a joke :joker: . I understand that bj is one really realy long session and that if you put in the time and are playing a winning game, yer playing a winning game and the $$ will.come eventually. Now whethere one can.survive till eventully happens depends on br and normal fluctution.
 
cowboysnaces said:
Valid points. When i said i was looking for.mentor, I wasnt meaning a baby sitter. I was meaning more a live person in the wa area would could evaluate my skills thus far (in training) and tell me if i am training appropriately for practical application. Y'see I'm getting to the point where i feel I'm almost ready to go to ye olde casino and run a few tests to just, 'see how it goes.'

And my training involves much more than play with my gf or with my residents. I can count.down a deck in 20-22 secs, I know my bs for my local game flawlessly. I can do the math for true edge conversion easily, though my discard tray deck estimation tends to be off by greater degrees as more decks are stacked up. That is my current focus though I review all of it daily, and im confident my eyes will continue.to calibrte themselves as I train. I have not learned any strategy variations, butim.thinkin about it.

I understand kelly betting and will be.half kelly betting on a br of 3k which is what the bj school suggests which is the training aid I have used.most. Read blackbelt in blackjack. Understood blackbelt in blackjack and took a liking to true edge.method.

And there may be a lot of.information on this forum, but I've been pokin around here for about 7 months before I registered and from what I've.seen most topics.of.discussion seem to devolve.in to argument between self titled forum experts or grow into these huge and abstract theoretical debates. So its a little time consuming to sift through it all and a real bummer when you find your question has already been asked.by someone but that a satisfying answer was.never reached cause they argued bout it and the thread eventually became fotgotten.

So.... yeah. I know my.posts seem to indicate that I'm absolutely clueless, but im not nearly that helpless.
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I tried to refrain from directing all of my comments at you specifically - I just wanted to make a few points about this forum based on my observation re: how new members are treated. Look, I was fired on (and still am), but I never take it personally. As with most groups in life, Darwinism applies here, too.

If my comments hold no value for you, I won't take that personally, either.

Best ~ L.I.A.
 
"… Read blackbelt in blackjack. Understood blackbelt in blackjack and took a liking to true edge.method."


"True Edge" was abandoned by Arnold Snyder almost as soon as he published it.

You should use a proper matrix of indices.
 
You need to avoid saying things like:

"if you put in the time and are playing a winning game, yer playing a winning game and the $$ will.come eventually."

The fact is —

It MAY come eventually. There is no WILL come eventually.
 
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FLASH1296 said:
"… Read blackbelt in blackjack. Understood blackbelt in blackjack and took a liking to true edge.method."


"True Edge" was abandoned by Arnold Snyder almost as soon as he published it.

You should use a proper matrix of indices.
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Is that right... what was the.problem with it?
 
LovinItAll said:
I tried to refrain from directing all of my comments at you specifically - I just wanted to make a few points about this forum based on my observation re: how new members are treated. Look, I was fired on (and still am), but I never take it personally. As with most groups in life, Darwinism applies here, too.

If my comments hold no value for you, I won't take that personally, either.

Best ~ L.I.A.
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No its cool. You were civil, laid.everything out in the open, and you're right, so its good information.
 
The book is fine. It is only in that particular edition that Snyder printed that "True Edge" crap, which he quickly withdrew by publishing a full set of indices online.
 
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