Oscar grinders
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tallmanvegas
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It only appears like OG in which there are times when I leave for the day with 1 unit
But yes, it's not really oscars grind
When I played with this one on paper, I found it necessary to up the increment 1 unit after every 5 increases for it to have a good shot at recovery after a really bad run. Ie 1 2 3 4 5 7 9 11 13 15 18 21 24 27 30 34 ...
The 5 increase increment was not chosen optimally but simply for ease of implementation. If your bet is divisible by 5 units increase the increment. It made you more likely to recover but grew faster. The improvement if any is a matter of preference not necessarily performance. It seemed to restructure the results to have slightly more frequent but much smaller catastrophes in general. The loss limit idea is probably needed for either approach.
The 5 increase increment was not chosen optimally but simply for ease of implementation. If your bet is divisible by 5 units increase the increment. It made you more likely to recover but grew faster. The improvement if any is a matter of preference not necessarily performance. It seemed to restructure the results to have slightly more frequent but much smaller catastrophes in general. The loss limit idea is probably needed for either approach.
The Chaperone
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You guys realize you're gonna lose your ass right?
tallmanvegas
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I'm heading out to Vegas this Thursday , will report back my results
can't wait to hear when you bust out and lose all your money
tallmanvegas
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Just got tix for UFC sat night:grin:
gamblingghost
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And all on neg. perc. betting!! God Bless America!! Go Tall Man!! Go!!
I'm going to have a great laugh when this guy comes back broke one of these days
Why would you find enjoyment in someone elses losses? Is your life really that bad? He's playing with fire, and will eventually get burned but I won't get any enjoyment out it when it happens.
21gunsalute
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Oh I wish I were an Oscar Grinder weener... :laugh:
After spending many of my nights in the past year standing behind a 3 card game waiting for a damn ploppy to bust out, I've taken a lot of enjoyment in watching ploppies get killed at some game. I've harassed the hell out of some of these people for hours on some occasions and they still wouldn't leave. (To the point where they were clearly bothered by it and very uncomfortable being there). I've also heard a ton of dumbass systems from people that they're convinced work.
Plus I have zero respect for gamblers, especially ones who think they have a good strategy when in reality it sucks.
Between brutal negative variance, a-hole dealers/pits, and heat, I'd say the worst part of APing is having to waste my time watching some asshole win while I'm trying to get on a game.
Lonesome Gambler
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You're harassing people for seats at 3CP? For what, a 3.48% game? As much as I hate it when a complete degenerate camps out on a game, these people have a right to be there too. Remember who pays the way for APs—it's the civilians, the Oscars Grinders, the Martingalers, the losing, would-be APs, etc. Harassing players for a seat is a good way to get on the pit's "people to watch" list.
I know you've posted before about how you don't care about backoffs you've received from playing an aggressive game with no cover (I agree that OCP is too weak for much cover, in most circumstances), but maybe you should consider your effect on the games in general. When you get backed off, you don't just heat yourself up, you heat the game up. There probably aren't a ton of pros waiting to play your OCP game, but rude and aggressive behavior toward civilians is, in my opinion, poor form when it comes to longevity for yourself and not burning out games, which is bad for everybody.
If you haven't guessed it already, I don't take any pleasure in civilians busting out. It's more depressing to me than anything, especially when it's rich people that are gambling sums of money that could feed a large family for a year. But there's nothing I can do to help these people, so I might as well try to divert some of their losses my way.
On the other hand, someone knowingly playing a losing strategy like OG (and the OP knows that he's playing a losing strategy, as he stated) will most likely bust out at some point. He (presumably) understands the risk and has chosen to take it. I'm sure he'll feel silly after getting taken to the cleaners some day, but if that's what he wants to do with his money, then he'll just be another donor to the pool of money that we're after.
I know you've posted before about how you don't care about backoffs you've received from playing an aggressive game with no cover (I agree that OCP is too weak for much cover, in most circumstances), but maybe you should consider your effect on the games in general. When you get backed off, you don't just heat yourself up, you heat the game up. There probably aren't a ton of pros waiting to play your OCP game, but rude and aggressive behavior toward civilians is, in my opinion, poor form when it comes to longevity for yourself and not burning out games, which is bad for everybody.
If you haven't guessed it already, I don't take any pleasure in civilians busting out. It's more depressing to me than anything, especially when it's rich people that are gambling sums of money that could feed a large family for a year. But there's nothing I can do to help these people, so I might as well try to divert some of their losses my way.
On the other hand, someone knowingly playing a losing strategy like OG (and the OP knows that he's playing a losing strategy, as he stated) will most likely bust out at some point. He (presumably) understands the risk and has chosen to take it. I'm sure he'll feel silly after getting taken to the cleaners some day, but if that's what he wants to do with his money, then he'll just be another donor to the pool of money that we're after.
tallmanvegas
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Hey guys, i appreciate all your support here. Your taking this game way too serious. So i can be clear, i never said i have a winning system, was better than counting card, playing with an advantage, etc. What i did say is that based on last couple years of high bet action, minimal time at the table,I am up considerably now and enjoying it. My advice, if your looking for the american dream and want to be rich, dont waste your time with this game. Get a graduate degree, MBA, or start a business. For those who want to put me down like some, remember a little something called Karma. One of my favorites quotes from a mentor of mine.
"If you think your so smart, why aint you rich?":laugh::laugh:
Tallman
"If you think your so smart, why aint you rich?":laugh::laugh:
Tallman
21gunsalute
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Gee, what kind of bankroll do you need for any of the above?
That being said, I know many of the posters here do have graduate degrees, MBAs and own their own businesses. Anyway, I don't believe most of us are necessarilly trying to get rich doing this.Gee, what kind of bankroll do you need for any of the above?
I started my first business with $2,000. That included $300 for first months rent, $300 security deposit, $150 real estate commision(guy let me pay it off over two months)and $200 phone deposit.
Do I have this correct? You no longer count cards, you play 3CP, harass other players for no reason but consider yourself an AP?
I wish you'd put this in your signature so people could see where you are coming from.
jerseyshop101
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Maybe this is his "cover", and he really is a nice guy outside the casino :grin:
But seriously, I know most of us on a Friday night standing and waiting for a seat can't help but hope for someone to bust out, at least maybe subconsciously, :laugh:
gamblingghost
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Oscar never busted out. But you make fun of him. How many times have
you busted out?
