Hot table- any studies

Gamblor said:
Its possible there might be something to it, but it would be VERY dangerous to rely on this heavily.
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Right. It is totally unreliable. But just because there is no known science to support it, does not mean that it is voodoo or superstition. It may just mean that the mechanics are not yet known or understood. I for one certainly hope that someone at MIT is working around the clock with super computers to discover some new advantage play that will make card counting obsolete. :eyepatch: Well, I can hope, can't I? :grin:
 
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I've been doing a study on hot tables. I found some very interesting correlations. The tables that the dealers put that weird yellow card further back seem to be more likely to be hot. Also the the felt that says dealer stands on all 17s seem to be hot more than the ones that the felt says dealer hits soft 17. Another one is if the dealer will give me half my bet back before the hand is played. That table seems to be hot more often. There are a few other signs of a hot table I look for. Well maybe they aren't signs of a hot table but when I find them I seem to sit in the lucky seat more often. Are there any studies about the lucky seat? ploppies often fight to get my lucky seat when I leave.:laugh:
 
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The only correalation i know of here is a belief in a hot shoe as an inverse of intelligence.
 
tthree said:
I've been doing a study on hot tables. I found some very interesting correlations. The tables that the dealers put that weird yellow card further back seem to be more likely to be hot. Also the the felt that says dealer stands on all 17s seem to be hot more than the ones that the felt says dealer hits soft 17. Another one is if the dealer will give me half my bet back before the hand is played. That table seems to be hot more often. There are a few other signs of a hot table I look for. Well maybe they aren't signs of a hot table but when I find them I seem to sit in the lucky seat more often. Are there any studies about the lucky seat? ploppies often fight to get my lucky seat when I leave.:laugh:
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You sound like a ploppy. You believe in the known science, but your mind is absolutely closed to any further scientific inquiry. The earth is flat and that's that.

You might notice, too, that when high and low cards are evenly distributed, you will benefit little from counting. In fact, counting relies on clumping of high and low cards. Do you know the frequency of an even and smooth distribution of high and low cards? Such a distribution is generally considered nonrandom, although it does occur. If the cards were in such a configuration, do you know how many shuffles it would take to ensure a return to randomness? Mathematicians say it takes a minimum of seven shuffles for a deck to be considered random; this gives pretty much an equal chance for every possible arrangement of cards to occur. How many times do casinos shuffle between shoes-- two? These are just the musings of an inveterate ploppy who never had an original thought in his life. But, at least, I'm questioning the boundaries of the game. Didn't someone do that in the late fifties? You may be too young to remember that.

Smooth sailing lulls the mind to sleep; I think it's good to rock the boat once in a while. And it's more fun, too. Who knows, we might even learn something if we approach life with an open mind. Finally, please do not return to your splenetic ways on my account; it's just that I am cursed with an inquiring mind-- I can't help it.
 
aslan said:
You sound like a ploppy. You believe in the known science, but your mind is absolutely closed to any further scientific inquiry. The earth is flat and that's that.
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"No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical." - Niels Bohr

When you leave a table at a low count, and the ploppies get a face full of low cards and the dealer makes crazy 6 card 21s, a ploppy would think you changed the flow of the card. An educated BS player would stubbornly insist that it doesn't matter if a player leaves or enters a table, its just variance. Of course as a CC you know better.

Similarly, those using a some crazy level 5 count with a ton of side counts would be able to identify parts of the shoe as "hot" or "cold", while a regular CC would just think its variance.

Furthermore a ST would know when a part of the shoe is "hot" or "cold" where any CC would think its just variance. "Dammit, that damn ploppy just cut a slug of high cards to the back of the deck" :laugh:

I would advise against this mindset of thinking you know everything there is to know and that's that. Its the wrong attitude to bring to this game (or anything else). True, you don't want to be so open minded your brain falls out, but you should know that there are things you do not know. A shuffle isn't entirely random, player decisions and the procedures to pick up cards is not random either.
 
When people are talking about being "open minded" and thinking "out of the box" I'm very sceptical. Those are buzz words you can use to lull your investors into giving more funding (trying the greater-fool approach).
 
MangoJ said:
When people are talking about being "open minded" and thinking "out of the box" I'm very sceptical. Those are buzz words you can use to lull your investors into giving more funding (trying the greater-fool approach).
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Also true.

But I am not willing to act on what I do not know. I am only saying that there is nothing wrong with being curious. Isn't that the basis for scientific inquiry? :cat:
 
aslan said:
Also true.

But I am not willing to act on what I do not know. I am only saying that there is nothing wrong with being curious. Isn't that the basis for scientific inquiry? :cat:
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I think many here are stuck in the concept that everything about life is a math equation, formula, or must have a scientific explanation. Those are not being very diverse about universal intelligence or principles. There are many ideas and concepts such as Karma, innate intelligence, soul, ufo, ghosts, etc that have been around forever and we still explore today. Keep your minds open as one may explore more possibilities in life and less inside a math book:laugh:
Tallman
 
tallmanvegas said:
I think many here are stuck in the concept that everything about life is a math equation, formula, or must have a scientific explanation. Those are not being very diverse about universal intelligence or principles. There are many ideas and concepts such as Karma, innate intelligence, soul, ufo, ghosts, etc that have been around forever and we still explore today. Keep your minds open as one may explore more possibilities in life and less inside a math book:laugh:
Tallman
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Many people actually think like this. Astounds me every time I witness it. It's like saying you should learn to not learn.
 
Humor can be lost on some people even when pointed out.

I suggest people here learn what the laughing icon means when someone puts it on the end of a post to indicate humor to those who have trouble figuring that out for themselves. It looks like this.:laugh:
 
tthree said:
I suggest people here learn what the laughing icon means when someone puts it on the end of a post to indicate humor to those who have trouble figuring that out for themselves. It looks like this.:laugh:
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We know what it means. We're not certain that the person using it knows.
 
tallmanvegas said:
I think many here are stuck in the concept that everything about life is a math equation, formula, or must have a scientific explanation. Those are not being very diverse about universal intelligence or principles. There are many ideas and concepts such as Karma, innate intelligence, soul, ufo, ghosts, etc that have been around forever and we still explore today. Keep your minds open as one may explore more possibilities in life and less inside a math book:laugh:
Tallman
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Some people surrender to the complexity of problems, and call any consequences faith, religion and stuff.
Other people simply acknowledge the complexity, and are then looking at (and solving) similar but simpler problems. They solve those small problems in ridiculous level of detail, that people will call them obsessive.

I will not call the latter type of people being crazy, they just found a way of solving a problem which might (or might not) be highly relevant for the entire population. How do you think the transistor (basis for microchips) was born ?

I will not call the first type of people being dumb, they just found a way of living where they can fool themselves "Hey I'm not stupid, but that's Karma I must live with, and can't do anything about it", while surfing the web and thinking that Karma also let their computers pop up out of nowhere.
 
tallmanvegas said:
I think many here are stuck in the concept that everything about life is a math equation, formula, or must have a scientific explanation. Those are not being very diverse about universal intelligence or principles. There are many ideas and concepts such as Karma, innate intelligence, soul, ufo, ghosts, etc that have been around forever and we still explore today. Keep your minds open as one may explore more possibilities in life and less inside a math book:laugh:
Tallman
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I don't think I was saying that. This site is not about everything in life; it's about advantage play, most notably, blackjack, and at the core of that is mathematics. There are other sites that discuss magic, spiritualism, religion, theories of human intelligence, intuition, theories on alien lifeforms, and the paranormal. Here, mathematics reigns supreme. Unless you can marshal one of these other areas to provide measurable, consistent, and verifiable results for the purpose of advantage play, it should not be a subject of serious conversation here. We have left the dark ages. It may seem like karma when what goes around comes around, but it is not something that anyone should use in making betting decisions. I was simply musing that there may yet be additional science to discover and apply to the game of blackjack. That would be accomplished by the application of scientific research, methods and principles. Not being a mathematician myself, I have no idea how much has already been done, and what more could be done. For me, science is almost magic; I have no idea what its boundaries might be and so I tend to question everything.
 
MangoJ said:
Some people surrender to the complexity of problems, and call any consequences faith, religion and stuff.
Other people simply acknowledge the complexity, and are then looking at (and solving) similar but simpler problems. They solve those small problems in ridiculous level of detail, that people will call them obsessive.

I will not call the latter type of people being crazy, they just found a way of solving a problem which might (or might not) be highly relevant for the entire population. How do you think the transistor (basis for microchips) was born ?

I will not call the first type of people being dumb, they just found a way of living where they can fool themselves "Hey I'm not stupid, but that's Karma I must live with, and can't do anything about it", while surfing the web and thinking that Karma also let their computers pop up out of nowhere.
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It is often a great advantage to be "obsessive", in AP and other endeavors. Another example is someone like Michael Burry, someone with Aspergers who "predicted" the subprime mortgage crisis and many a tremendous amount of money with his fund.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Burry

However don't knock lateral thinking. Personally I prefer those who are creative and challenge authority in most endeavors. They'll notice and realize things that those with just tremendous straight line thinking won't.
 
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