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ningtong88

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It seems there is quite a few members here use hole carding strategy, but nobody posts their techniques due to sensitiveness of this topic. I just purchased a copy of the original BC from eBay (I finally got one after months of search!!), but still have not received it yet. In the meantime, would someone pm me a little info or hint on how to HC’ing? From all the time I’ve been playing, it seems to me this is not possible, but I think it’s just because that I am not well educated on this technique. Thanks!
 
Why don't you post your bank account information instead ? This way those players can send you their money more directly.
 
ningtong88 said:
It seems there is quite a few members here use hole carding strategy, but nobody posts their techniques due to sensitiveness of this topic. I just purchased a copy of the original BC from eBay (I finally got one after months of search!!), but still have not received it yet. In the meantime, would someone pm me a little info or hint on how to HC’ing? From all the time I’ve been playing, it seems to me this is not possible, but I think it’s just because that I am not well educated on this technique. Thanks!
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Unfortunately for you BC: Exhibit CAA doesn't provide much instruction for seeing the hole card. What it does give you, though, is all of the knowledge you will need to exploit it should the opportunity arise.
 
Carefully guarded secret!

Yes,,.,,sensitive info like this is not likely to be published. At least not for any length if time! A couple weeks ago I encountered a HC opportunity and like a fool...,I rushed here and posted details about my experience. Lucky for me, a couple members very nicely asked me to delete my post ASAP. I was able to do so w assistance from moderators. If the members who caught my stupid post or the mods who deleted the thread r reading this. THANKS!

One of the members sent me a pm that Basically said "when the student is ready, the master will appear" and/or "in a super Kung Fu situation, when a candidate shows great potential, he will be chosen to be taken to the next level".

What I'm trying to say is keep
Your eyes open and when u r ready.....it just might happen. Once it does u will see more opportunities if they r available.

I played for months wout ever having any idea how HC could happen. I don't expect to be able to take advantage of the concept for profit...at least not given my limited opportunities of stores and time constraints at this point in my life.

Good luck!
 
ningtong88 said:
In the meantime, would someone pm me a little info or hint on how to HC’ing? From all the time I’ve been playing, it seems to me this is not possible, but I think it’s just because that I am not well educated on this technique. Thanks!
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I'm going to help you out. The gist of hole carding is that you try to see the dealer's down card. Make sense?
 
There are a good many ways to identify the dealer's hole card. Visually SEEING it is ONE way to do it. Unfortunately; to do it THIS way, you have to depend upon finding a dealer who's making mistakes. As you have noticed, this is a very rare occurrence.

Even the TOP hole card teams are not finding enough of these types of games to consistently stay in action. Most are using the more advanced HC techniques. Problem with that is; very little info on the advanced technique subject is in print - good luck finding someone willing to teach you.
 
Sucker said:
There are a good many ways to identify the dealer's hole card. Visually SEEING it is ONE way to do it. Unfortunately; to do it THIS way, you have to depend upon finding a dealer who's making mistakes. As you have noticed, this is a very rare occurrence.

Even the TOP hole card teams are not finding enough of these types of games to consistently stay in action. Most are using the more advanced HC techniques. Problem with that is; very little info on the advanced technique subject is in print - good luck finding someone willing to teach you.
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Damn teams!!!!! Ruin it for everybody!!!! They want it all in an instant and keep killing the games. Oh well........
Nothing but crumbs left.....
Damn all you teams to hell!!.!!

Machinist
 
Sucker said:
There are a good many ways to identify the dealer's hole card. Visually SEEING it is ONE way to do it. Unfortunately; to do it THIS way, you have to depend upon finding a dealer who's making mistakes. As you have noticed, this is a very rare occurrence.
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Hole-carding refers to seeing it. What you say is true, that it's possible to gain knowledge of the hole card without seeing it, but those techniques have other names. OP is asking about hole-carding. For that, I stand by my previous statement, that the gist of the idea is that you try to see the dealer's hole card(s).
 
Craps Master said:
Hole-carding refers to seeing it. What you say is true, that it's possible to gain knowledge of the hole card without seeing it, but those techniques have other names. OP is asking about hole-carding. For that, I stand by my previous statement, that the gist of the idea is that you try to see the dealer's hole card(s).
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Oh, you two.
 
Wookets said:
Unfortunately for you BC: Exhibit CAA doesn't provide much instruction for seeing the hole card. What it does give you, though, is all of the knowledge you will need to exploit it should the opportunity arise.
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There isn't a chapter called "100 different ways to see the hole card"? zg
 
Thanks, Sucker, Wookets and Mica for your valuable info. I guess I am looking for hints on ways to look for the dealers who flash the hole card or other ways of getting the info about the hole card. There are times when I see dealers' hole card is about a quarter inch to the table surface, I am wondering if sitting at certian position or some other way would be able to see its value (without lowering my head down to the table). I know nobody will spoon feed me the technique but can someone at least give me some hint? There are tons of advanced knowledges out there besides counting and I really want to learn about them. Everyone starts out from knowing nothing, but there's always someone will show them the way. I feel that there's so much to learn out there that I am still a rookie even though I can count cards. I hope I can find that person soon. I think combining CC and these advanced techniques can reall excel one's game. I was hoping there's some info on BC, but I guess not...
 
We could write the chapter!

zengrifter said:
There isn't a chapter called "100 different ways to see the hole card"? zg
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Anyone else think that writing that chapter and selling it might be more profitable than BJ/counting is?:devil: it wouldn't take much $$ to top my pathetically small EV at this point in my BJ career!

I could contribute 2 ideas... That only leaves 98 for the experts to add...

On a slightly more serious note...a dealer I like (don't yell...we not actually friends...and IMO a good relationship w dealers can boost EV....especially when it comes to pen rate and forgetting to ask for insurance if I get the table to myself.)

Anyway...dealer told me about the class he had to take to pitch DD. The casino spent 80 hours per dealer....most of the practice was for keeping HC a secret and trying to prevent counting!. :grin:

Happy cards to all!
 
zengrifter said:
There isn't a chapter called "100 different ways to see the hole card"? zg
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What I really meant was that you can read thousands of pages on "how to see a hole card" but if certain conditions don't exist in live play your reading is more or less worthless. I'd also like to add that prior to my first HC'ing experience I had done no formal research/reading; it was only after being exposed to it that I became curious and decided to look into it more. I just happened to find the right dealer...
 
mica said:
Anyway...dealer told me about the class he had to take to pitch DD. The casino spent 80 hours per dealer....most of the practice was for keeping HC a secret and trying to prevent counting!.
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Unusual, I would think. Fortunately, there are a lot of casinos that spend about 20 minutes training a dealer on a new game, and when they do give training, it often misses the most important topics. The average dealer has probably spent less than 80 hours being schooled in his LIFE.
 
HCing

There are four obvious ways to HC other than seeing the card that come to kind....

1. Expert shuffle tracking
2. Card marking
3. Dealer is an expert mechanic in collusion with the player
4. Pattern Identification

2 of these are clearly illegal and the third, shuffle tracking, is extremely difficult to learn for the overwhelming majority of people. The fourth, Pattern ID on the back of the card I've read very few instances of and nothing really confirmed...maybe in the old days. Seems impossible to me....but you never know.
 
Toxotai Kretikoi said:
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I'm confused. What's the point of alluding to a method of getting the hole card as Sucker has done in this thread and others, and then editing out the simple naming of the technique? Meanwhile, there are endless threads here discussing hole carding? Are you merely trolling your inexperienced members?

FWIW, the big "secret" is written about in Zender's book, though you won't learn much from there, either.
 
Lowrider said:
There are four obvious ways to HC other than seeing the card that come to kind....

1. Expert shuffle tracking
2. Card marking
3. Dealer is an expert mechanic in collusion with the player
4. Pattern Identification
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Other thoughts:

5. Steering
6. Sequencing
7. Counting/process of elimination (mentioned in Thorp's BTD - requires 100% pen :))
 
Toxotai Kretikoi said:
I'm confused. What's the point of alluding to a method of getting the hole card as Sucker has done in this thread and others, and then editing out the simple naming of the technique? Meanwhile, there are endless threads here discussing hole carding? Are you merely trolling your inexperienced members?
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You're right, there is probably way too much discussion of the topic on here, your post notwithstanding. But your post was busted because it named a specific technique that yes, is published (including in a great book by an old friend of Zender's), but it's not as widely known as you think. Do a Google search and see what comes up. Then search "hole carding" and you'll probably notice a big gap in the available information. Do the math!
 
Loose lips sink ships. I'm starting to have a problem with this thread myself. It's turned into a guessing game, and I have to admit that I'm the one who caused it. My bad; my apologies. :(

People are starting to talk about too MANY advanced techniques; some of them are NOT well known by the casinos, and it would behoove us to keep it that way as much as possible. I wonder how many pit bosses and surveillance people peruse this site?

The "secret" I was referring to concerns getting exact HC information ONLY (with the possibility of other info occasionally), and I was merely trying to impress upon the OP how RARE it is to find a dealer who's sloppy enough to give you a VISUAL look (something that he's already noticed HIMSELF anyway). BTW; someone DID already mention it - or at least an element of it - among the myriad of moves that HAVE been talked about in this thread.
 
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