Ace 5
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DrEntropy
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Ace-5 can be easier for some, but learning KO or HiLo is not that much more difficult, and yield much better results. The harder part of card counting is not so much the counting, but keeping the count with the distractions in a casino, not to mention while playing your hand (which is why the first step is to utterly master BS)
PierceNation
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Kenny Uston writes about it in Million Dollar Blackjack, he says the best you can hope for is something like .25% advantage over the house.
Its more for break even BS players who want that extra little bit on there next trip to vegas...
Its more for break even BS players who want that extra little bit on there next trip to vegas...
joeblackjack
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Single deck is still pretty close to ubiquitous in Reno.
Same rules?
I've never played in Reno, so I'll take your word that single-deck is still the norm in that region. But the rules of today's single decks are certainly much, much worse than they were decades ago when Uston reigned in the blackjack world.
I've never played in Reno, so I'll take your word that single-deck is still the norm in that region. But the rules of today's single decks are certainly much, much worse than they were decades ago when Uston reigned in the blackjack world.
Ubiquitous and reigned. See what happens when them thar fancy words er used. Flash meant Uston was a legend in his own mind and not a remarkable story of blackjack success.
PierceNation
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Bottom line even if you did find a decent single decker...Ace 5 still isnt really good enough.
If you don't want to learn a full scale count, but are willing to expand the Ace/5 Count just a little bit, you could count the Aces and 10-spots (but not the pictures) as minus 1 -- and the 4's & 5's as plus 1.
That'll raise the betting correlation from 54% to 70%. With a wide spread in a shoe game, it'll provide a small net advantage. Swings will be brutal though.
Ferretnparrot
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using ace/5 in a single deck game is probibly better than doing nothing at all, which is worth considering, but you wont expect to win money, and if you do find some great game where you do it will prob be a break even game basically.
think of it like this, if you cant handle a regular card counting system, go ahead and use the ace 5 because you will be losing less money than using no system at all.
then again, why you woudl even learn to use it to lose money is kinda a mystery
think of it like this, if you cant handle a regular card counting system, go ahead and use the ace 5 because you will be losing less money than using no system at all.
then again, why you woudl even learn to use it to lose money is kinda a mystery
zengrifter
Banned
My first foray into counting, circa 1970, was with the Revere 5s-depletion count. I was 16. zg
AussiePlayer
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The same reason people learn BS but not counting, I imagine they enjoy playing the game and want to minimise the amount of money they lose whilst hopefully earning maximum comps.
You do realize there are 4 ten value cards (10, J, Q, K) and only the 4 on the other side..
Yes..it didnt make sense..I was curious.Ive dabbled with basic systems in the past,but have settled with K.O.
Im reading up on K.O. as I have purchased the book by Vancura and Fuchs.
It gets a bit deep....I am staying with the basics of it for the moment and will move deeper in time.
Thanks.
Im reading up on K.O. as I have purchased the book by Vancura and Fuchs.
It gets a bit deep....I am staying with the basics of it for the moment and will move deeper in time.
Thanks.
The reference there was to improve the Ace/5 Count moderately by adding just the 10-spot and the 4 to the count structure, thereby tracking two low ranks of cards and two high ranks, rather than only one of each (you still ignore the Jacks, Queens and Kings). It increases the Betting Correlation from 54% to 70%.