Surrendering with 17

[EasyRhino]

This weekend I was dealt a 17 and the dealer had an ace showing, in a H17 shoe game.

Realizing that BS tells me to surrender this hand, I did. And boy, was I greeted with bewilderment from the players and the dealer. Way more than when I've split tens, I think even more than when I've doubled as soft 21. It was like they just couldn't comprehend what they were seeing.

Anyone else noticed this? Is the attention it garners a good thing or a bad thing?

I just checked the appendix to see how big the difference in EV is, and it's about 1.3%. So while the dealer ended up busting on that hand, I didn't mind my play from a strategy standpoint.

By the way, the count was pretty darn positive at that point, would that tend to reinforce the decision to surrender?

 

[shadroch]

I don't play games that offer surrender,but if the count was "pretty positive",wasn't insurance called for?

 

[quipper]

surrendering 17

You're more likely to surrender when the count is negative. For example, with HiLo, you should surrender with a TC of +1 or less with 6D H17.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

You're more likely to surrender when the count is negative. For example, with HiLo, you should surrender with a TC of +1 or less with 6D H17.

Right, and if the count is even more negative I believe you hit. At least you do with S17.

 

[eps6724]

I think even more than when I've doubled as soft 21.

Stupid question, but isn't a "soft 21" either a multiple hand, or a two-card 21? How can you double? Have I missed something important again????

-EPS

 

[ihate17]

After you split your tens

Stupid question, but isn't a "soft 21" either a multiple hand, or a two-card 21? How can you double? Have I missed something important again????

-EPS

Let's say you are playing a double after split game and you split a pair of tens and get an ace on one of them. Now you have a soft two card 21 that can be doubled if you wish.

ihate17

 

[EasyRhino]

Yes, the move was not done for any smart reasons whatsoever, just for fun.

 

[eps6724]

Let's say you are playing a double after split game and you split a pair of tens and get an ace on one of them. Now you have a soft two card 21 that can be doubled if you wish.

ihate17

Oh, man!!!! It WAS a stupid question! I KNEW that, and didn't think it through! Thanks!! No wonder I'm still practicing!!!