That really was the truth that he was talking about.
"The LVHCM is a group of highly skilled professional advantage players who give back to the advantage player community by exposing the frauds and wannabes in the industry."
You see the problem i have with that idea is that they are not - from what i've seen - doing that. They are choosing to shoot off at anyone they don't feel are up to their lofty standards - and that includes anyone who chooses to count cards.
What makes it worse is that they 'expose frauds' based purely on their judgement, not on any evidence what-so-ever. I don't know Zen personally - although i do have a great deal of respect for him - so i cannot use him as an example, but one i do know about one poster i have seen LVHCM tare down.
I know this poster personally and also know the people he knows. I can tell you that he has made a lot of money out of the game and continues to make a lot of money out of the game.
Why then does he get attacked? Well if you look at the pattern of people attacked by LVHCM, it's anyone that the people who post here respect.
I certainly don't want to make the claim that LVHCM actually represents the Las Vegas Hole Card Mafia as i can't say one way or the other, but this poster does seem to like to attack anyone who seems to be in a postion of authority and make claims of them being a fraud no matter how ridiculous the accusation.
It's all about that poster taking the authority to tare down those with credentials who would share their knowledge, and doing so without producing any proof to support their claims. Surely if they were doing this for the benifit of the community they could produce some evidence to support their accusations?
One clear example i would give would be LVHCM's attack on Norm Wattenberg. Now as to Norm's playing ability i honestly cannot say one way or the other, but as to his ability to add to the communities understanding of the theory and the maths of the game, there is no doubt. How many authors and respected players have publicly thanked him for his assistance at this point in time?
You do not gain credibility by swearing and cursing, you gain it by putting forward a well reasoned argument with a clear structure. Otherwise the people who you are supposedly trying to help simply won't take you seriously.
RJT.
