xengrifter
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I have done the two table thing infrequently and never felt any increased scrutiny, just the opposite actually.
Can I Add These 2 Deviations?
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KewlJ
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There ARE things you can do and say. If it is time to jump and I just lost a hand I will say to the dealer "wow, you are too hot!". Sometimes I will say that even though I won 3 hands prior to that single loss. Occasionally the dealer will look perplexed, but unless you are playing heads up, they probably don't even know that you have won 3 of the last 4. I have also gone with something like "Oh I won with that guy yesterday or last week" as I jump.
There is the argument that what you say at the table has no effect on the EITS and that's true. But if there was any attention from jumping to a new table it would be from the floor, and most likely other players, not the EITS, so verbal cover can't hurt. It's all part of the game. That great cat and mouse game within the game.
Funny thing though, you have a new fan club somewhere, consisting of 1 person but 12 personalities who is cheering you "taking me down". You are his new hero.
Funny to whom? You already belong to the Zen Zone Forum where you have ample time to respond to your differences in opinions. Instead, you are trying to provoke him here and I am not impressed. Am I supposed to dismiss Moses's insights over yours because he plays primarily single-deck games? That would be a huge mistake as both of you have a wealth of knowledge in your life experiences. It just so happens that you could seriously learn quite a few things from him.
I do fine playing my own style thank you. I am done with this conversation.
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Same here. It's only infrequent because I don't often have the opportunity to see two tables as clearly as I'd like. But it's perfectly reasonable to do this, and I don't think it creates any suspicion whatsoever. Especially since you're entering the new table with a large bet right at the outset, that certainly implies a non-counter.
Hey BoSox -- not trying to drag you back in, but where the hell could somebody primarily play single-deck blackjack? Is there a place to do more reading about this? And I assume this has to be Reno or someplace similarly podunk?
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Yes, The player I did refer to does play in the Reno area. You will find plenty of material about the subject in the Archives of various sites including BJ21.com. Or, you can join Zen Zone the forum and ask Moses as that is his area of expertise.
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I wouldn't recommend that to my worst enemy. It's an inactive site where a couple of mentally ill miscreants who have been backed off from the "conventional" forums spout their hate and lunacy. Bosox, you should be ashamed at yourself for suggesting that.
And the owner of that forum, xengrifter, posts here, but not there. We've been waiting almost a year for his promised response to the question, "why does he keep that forum up and running?"
KewlJ
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BoSox, have you been to Reno and if so recently, like the last 5 years? I made 3 trips to Reno this year after not going for a number of years because my late partner didn't care for Reno. I sort of like it. Has a feel of yesteryear to it, which I like. Problem is you can't get any real money down. During the week anyone betting more than red is an oddity. On the weekend, you can get some green, to light black, but not much more and not for very long. The best a green black player can do is roll into town 2-3 times a year for 2 or 3 days over a weekend. Nothing more will be tolerated.
The idea of someone playing green/black, let a lone higher, for 30 years in Reno is a fantasy. Pure twilight zone stuff.
Now you seem to want to put Moses and expertise in the same sentence. I am going to try to be fair here. Moses has a good bit of knowledge about single deck blackjack. And Single deck blackjack which is alive in this one small area, closely protected, is the one remaining game, where some of the thinking from last century still hold, things like higher counts and side counts.
The problem is the stakes. You can not play the stakes Moses claims to play in Reno, for more than a couple days, let alone 30 years, BoSox! Does THAT little (big) inconsistency not bother you? Because without that the house of cards comes crumbling down and this "expertise" that you are so impressed with is simply a small time player, playing $5 blackjack, maybe supplementing whatever income.
AND there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's what he should have said to begin with. Then he would have been rightfully recognized as a low limit single deck specialist, playing probably the lone remaining single deck location left.
Moses's experience and skills playing the single deck games cannot be overlooked as no one can deny the work he put into always making himself a better player. Now, I have no desire to play single deck, so you most likely wonder why my interest in him for learning something. Who better to learn casino comportment than him? In this aspect, he and I have many of the same ideas. I do not care what levels of play a player is playing., or how much money they are making as it is not the primary interest of mine in fact I could care less. MidWest Player is primarily a nickel better does that mean his skills are lacking in any way? I wouldn't bet against him. A person's knowledge in all facets of being welcomed back, while also not having the need to let the world know everything you do is what I care about. Moses has many of those same principals as I do.
For example, the owner of the Blackjack The Forum said this about you around a month ago in a thread:
" KJ made an astounding number of posts not only describing how he bet, how he played, but exactly where he played, not only the casinos but which pits, and exactly when he played. Seriously odd behavior for an AP. Think about that."
No exaggeration on his part. I will add the length of your sessions, Wonging out and joining tables in progress. Incidentally I would like to add to the second part of that above sentence. I do not think it fits for someone playing a very short session looking for a low profile to get in and out. Regarding me doing that I couldn't anyway, (poor eyesight, and for the most part, NMSE tables) what I can do is keep an eye on the discard trays of other tables to save on downtime when Wonging out of shoes.
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Damn.. The more I read about places I've never played, the more I realize my shitty local games may not be so shitty after all.
KewlJ
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I am well aware of the owner of BJTF's recent statement attempting to discredit me. Nothing really new there. He has been doing that for 5 years now, even following me to other forums to do so, forums where he hadn't participated in 5 years and in 2 cases had never participated. I mean if you want to talk about "seriously odd behavior". While he has given up (I hope) chasing me around the internet, it is still sad that he would chose to attempt to discredit someone that isn't able to answer back. That is pretty cowardice if you ask me. But he has proven to be a bully in that regard. And not just with me.
It also is none of his business what I choose to share and post. I made the choice very early on, that I wanted to share my experiences, the good, the bad and the ugly, as best I could, hoping maybe a few players might benefit. Because that is how we really learn, through experience. And if someone can learn from some of my mistakes instead of making those mistakes themselves, all the better. THAT is how I choose to give back for those that helped me, especially early on. I am sorry if your owner friend or now you or anyone else doesn't approve.
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21forme, I hope you realize that you are insulting someone who cannot respond back.
xengrifter
Banned
Whoa Nelly!!
I have followed KJ's posts for years, and I am totally unaware of him describing...
..."exactly where he played which pits and exactly when he played..."
The above quote is exactly the type of disingenuous and untruthful exaggeration that the Looney Tune Sim Master is famous for.
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xengrifter
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Hey, easy on that fake news, please...
... 3.5 months does not make a year.
Ac is absolutely dirt but Monticello has some good games especially if you want to play high limit
Of course they're trash compared to games I've read about from the old days
Would high limit anywhere be mostly good? I can't imagine and 8D H17 no Das with $50+ min.
Counting_Is_Fun
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xengrifter
Banned
It would depend on the penetration, right?
..."exactly where he played which pits and exactly when he played..."
Sorry, but the quote is true.