rich edwards
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about 20 years ago i took a black jack course from a guy by the of Doug Grant, his concept was different from anything else i've ever seen. Anyone else familiar with him?
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Oh boy, I haven't heard that name in a long time. Way back in the early days of the Internet, he was the scourge of the blackjack discussion groups on Usenet, posting hundreds of messages a day, flaming anyone who claimed that card counting was a winning idea.
I understand that he was a counter, and taught counting to many students. If I recall correctly, he was involved in some unsuccessful lawsuits against casinos, and I don't know what happened after that.
I understand that he was a counter, and taught counting to many students. If I recall correctly, he was involved in some unsuccessful lawsuits against casinos, and I don't know what happened after that.
rich edwards
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thanks ken
Doug grant definitely taught counting and more. Some of his basic ideas were to play 2 hands, spread wagers from 1 to 16 units, divide the shoe into 3 zones(true counts) but he differed from anyone else in that your big bets were based on the way the dealer busted on the previous hand, he called them a type A or B bust. Anyway the reason why I asked is that i've tried to find his literature and he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. If anyone has his worksheets a response would be appreciated.
Doug grant definitely taught counting and more. Some of his basic ideas were to play 2 hands, spread wagers from 1 to 16 units, divide the shoe into 3 zones(true counts) but he differed from anyone else in that your big bets were based on the way the dealer busted on the previous hand, he called them a type A or B bust. Anyway the reason why I asked is that i've tried to find his literature and he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. If anyone has his worksheets a response would be appreciated.
zengrifter
Banned
Grant has reincarnated himself as CIPHER, here -
System Promoter of the Week
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2042
Return of CIPHER!
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4413
QFIT
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Well put. Douggy (Douglas Grant von Reiman) having failed as a counter decided to make money by suing people. By people I mean everyone on every side. His lawyer was Howard Altschuler (201-768-6218.) He sued casinos and threatened to sue many authors including me repeatedly. (An equal opportunity pursuer.) I posted my name, real address, phone number and challenged him to sue me after he posted over 50 claims I was a fraud and I was both Stanford Wong and Arnold Snyder.
Should he still wish to take me to task; I am at his lawyer's mercy at:
Norman Wattenberger
100 United Nations Plaza
New York, NY 10017-1726
Toll-free # 800-498-2234
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zengrifter
Banned
Is that near the Lucis Trust (formerly the Lucifer Trust)? zg
The only Doug Grant I know is a writer for the show RED DWARF... and I know that can't be him. No Blackjack in the show, but there is a guy who is his own father, a hologram who is a total a-hole, a Cat who evolved to human form after 16 million years and an adroid with a vacuum attachment on his crotch. Good show if you didn't know 
I know that Doug Grant students are not supposed to reveal his method to others - so you most likely won't be able to find someone willing to share any of his literature.
The Stork
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like so many
blackjack players, they end up selling crap to people. Modern con man ship.
If you are good you should be open and have argumentation along with it. Some body telling me that cardcounting does not work is not even worth the attention.
I have followed his discussion 20 years ago, I am fulltime and he is broke full of Aces full of Bull....
:whip: The Stork
blackjack players, they end up selling crap to people. Modern con man ship.
If you are good you should be open and have argumentation along with it. Some body telling me that cardcounting does not work is not even worth the attention.
I have followed his discussion 20 years ago, I am fulltime and he is broke full of Aces full of Bull....
:whip: The Stork
Automatic Monkey
Banned
That is defamation of the worst order. You should sue.
QFIT
Well-Known Member
Quite right. Funny thing - shortly after this thread started I received a letter from Doug threatening yet again to sue me if I didn't bust every post I ever made that mentioned him. (As if it were possible to bust USENET posts.) I responded to his new lawyer that I would file criminal charges against Doug if he ever contacted me again.
Sonny
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Your first day back at BJInfo.com and you're already getting legal threats? Trouble just seems to follow you around, doesn't it? In any case, welcome back Norm.
-Sonny-