Beyound Counting?????

[RJT]

No, use of cheques as a medium of exchange or for any purpose other than gaming violates Federal law, violates Nevada Gaming policy and the burden of proof is on a bearer that he personally bought or won the cheques in a game. If you can't they will take your cheques and tell you to go to Helen Waite.

We're talking about rat-holing here not giving them to another person. At the point where they try to confiscate your chips you simply ask for a receipt, inform them that you want the security tapes of the tables you've been playing on held and phone your lawyer. If all you've done is rat-hole, then you'll have no problem showing that you legitimately bought/won all of the chips in your possession.

RJT.

 

[RJT]

No, intentionally using a coupon contrary to it's printed terms and conditions is fraud, and many of us have done it.

Perhaps i've over-stepped my knowledge on this one and i'd be grateful if you could direct me to an article that referrences a court case where someone broke the terms and conditions of a coupon was actually successfully taken to court by a casino.
I've read a good number of legal texts of blackjack in the US and i've never come accross a case of this sort, but i certainly don't claim to be all knowing.

RJT.

 

[sagefr0g]

narrow path we tread......when we set out to decieve

perhaps not in a legal sense.... but according to the dictionary the meaning of fraud follows:


Main Entry:
fraud
Pronunciation:
\ˈfrȯd\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date:
14th century

1 a: deceit trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be.

 

[21forme]

False ID is a tricky matter, but as far as i'm aware - and i have done a deal of looking into this - as long as it is not a government issue ID there's nothing illegal about using it in a casino.
If you were to falsify a driving licence - that would be illegal. If you were carrying say a fake Microsoft staff card with your photo and a different name on it, as long as you weren't using it to fill out government documents (like CTRs) you've broken no laws. Merely using an alias in a casino with credit cards and other forms of non-government issue false ID to back it up is perfectly legal. You just have to be careful not to go over the CTR limit.

RJT.

The Catch 22 is how do you get your alias-named player's card without a gov't ID. I've never been to a casino that will accept anything other than a driver's license (or passport) for ID.

 

[RJT]

The Catch 22 is how do you get your alias-named player's card without a gov't ID. I've never been to a casino that will accept anything other than a driver's license (or passport) for ID.

Read Ian Andersen's 'Burning the Tables in Las Vegas' for some interesting ideas on how to get a driver's license with an alias on it. I'm not 100% sure that it's legal, but i don't see why it wouldn't be as both names would (at least at one point) have been legally yours. And truthfully if you were a serious enough player to go down this road, i'm sure you would get some legal advice on this first.

RJT

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Read Ian Andersen's 'Burning the Tables in Las Vegas' for some interesting ideas on how to get a driver's license with an alias on it. I'm not 100% sure that it's legal, but i don't see why it wouldn't be as both names would (at least at one point) have been legally yours. And truthfully if you were a serious enough player to go down this road, i'm sure you would get some legal advice on this first.

RJT

I am 100% sure it's not legal. When you get a drivers license you are required to surrender any other drivers licenses you have. In recent years the US Federal government has been taking this very seriously. BTLV was written at a time in the US when truckers had a drivers license from every state and when they had one revoked for a violation, simply drove using another one. Those days are long over.

 

[RJT]

I am 100% sure it's not legal. When you get a drivers license you are required to surrender any other drivers licenses you have. In recent years the US Federal government has been taking this very seriously. BTLV was written at a time in the US when truckers had a drivers license from every state and when they had one revoked for a violation, simply drove using another one. Those days are long over.

Not to say you are wrong on this - i simply don't know - but if the US system is anything like the UK system, your driving license is attached to a driving license number. The number remains the same even if you change the details on the card (aka address or legally change your name). Your driving license number remains attached to you no matter what you do.
If you were to "lose" your license, phone up and buy a replacement - at the same time informing them of a legal name change the new card comes out and you still have the old card. As long as you don't use the old card to do anything illegal - any driving violations would come up on both licenses anyway - i don't see it being a major issue. You found the old license a few months after and never thought to send it back - in fact it's in your wallet by mistake, you must have put the wrong one in.
This is very much dependant on the US system running on a centralized database - and at the moment i don't have the inclination to find this out if that is the case, i'll leave that to people with greater motivation in this direction than myself.
As the casinos over here don't take down your driving license number, simply the address and name - they only use it for proof of age and address - a change of name on the license would be enough to pull the wool over their eye's so to speak.

Just as a cautious disclaimer - i am in no way implying that i know whether this would be legal. If you want to know that, consult an expert on identity law.

RJT.

 

[21forme]

It's been a while since I've read Anderson's book, but if memory serves me, I believe he legally changed his name. While that's a fine strategy for a full-time pro, most of us here are recreational players, and legally changing one's name would be little extreme.

 

[RJT]

It's been a while since I've read Anderson's book, but if memory serves me, I believe he legally changed his name. While that's a fine strategy for a full-time pro, most of us here are recreational players, and legally changing one's name would be little extreme.

Then needing an alias is probably a little extreme as well. No being funny here - but honestly most players would be better off focusing on playing than the more sever cover concerns.

RJT.

 

[El Gordo]

Then needing an alias is probably a little extreme as well. No being funny here - but honestly most players would be better off focusing on playing than the more sever cover concerns.

RJT.

Couldn't agree with you more.