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KewlJ

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Ok, so here is my "tap" story. In my time in Vegas I have received probably 80 backoffs, 1 trespass, and several entries in a database. I was lucky enough to play during the time, that the most common countermeasure was the polite backoff. "Any other game but blackjack", "Your game is just to strong". Those kind of things. And a back off is not permanent, despite what casinos want you to think. You can return and play blackjack again. Best to put a little distance between doing so. Several months for the casino and even a little longer for that particular pit person. I have returned to every casino that ever backed me off to play except one, which was just too small. And most of them, I played many, many times after being backed off and some have been backed off multiple times and keep returning.

So I received more backoffs in my early years than my later years. Because you learn what is and isn't tolerated. What playing limits, what session length and session wins. If you limit your session length, you basically limit session wins in most cases. And what is tolerated is different at different casinos and even times of day.

So anyway, this year, I have had no actual backoffs. But I have had a number of countermeasure "incidents". One of these was having my pictures electronically sent between casinos of the same chain. That surely would have resulted in a backoff or worse if I hadn't been alerted to it.

So the other "incident" was I had a dealer push my bet back from the betting circle and deal around me. Standing behind the dealer was a pit guy with his arms crossed trying to look imposing. So that is obviously where this came from. Other players at the table were calling "misdeal", but I got the message clear enough. Sort of a back off, but not a word spoken.

So a very short time later, I am driving right by that casino on my way home from other casinos. I decided to stop in because I was hungry and they have a burger joint I like. After eating I walked by the pit and didn't see either the pit guy or the dealer. So I decide to play a short session. Towards the end of the second shoe, in which I had already showed my spread and hit my exit trigger, I looked up and there was the pit guy staring at me from across the pit. He wasn't working the table I was playing but was on the other side of the pit. Upon making eye contact, he gave me "the Thumb". Like a hitchhiker jerking his thumb out. I decided that would be a good time to exit. :D

So we have all gotten "the tap", I got "the thumb". A second "like" backoff with not a single word spoken. Bigger issue is this guy is probably going to be a pain in my butt at this property for a long time to come. But I will deal with it.
 
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21forme

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I think we can go on with stories like this forever... And here's one similar to your thumb backoff:

Borgata 2008 or so. I had been countermeasured many times there. After each one, I'd create a new ID/player's card. When I'd walk in, I'd scan the pit and make sure nobody in the pit knew me by sight. Given the size of the casino and its multiple pits, it wasn't hard.

One time, I walked in past the big pit and kept going as I saw some familiar faces. I walked to the smaller pit towards the back (Sp21) and it looked good. So I sat down, handed in my player's card with a fresh name and started playing. After about 20 minutes, the PC went on break and his replacement arrived. I thought to myself, "oh well..." as ir was a guy I'd dealt with many times before. He looked over, saw me, then went to his computer, presumably to see why I was playing there without countermeasures. He looked back up at me as I was watching him and he simply shook his head. I shrugged my shoulders back at him, then got up and left, disappointed that the new player's card only lasted 20 minutes. A new record :) So like your thumb backoff, this was a shake of the head backoff.

BTW, isn't it better posting here and talking AP, rather than at that sad excuse of a forum where you continue to have pissing matches with the posers, liars and misanthropes that inhabit it?
 

DSchles

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I sure as hell could explain it to a judge! But, the answer is simple: PS is mainly a SD phenomenon, and, as you well know, all of those games are in Nevada, where the casinos own all the judges.

But the point is more or less moot now, since 6:5 has rendered SD BJ a remnant of the past.

Don
 

DSchles

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"Bigger issue is this guy is probably going to be a pain in my butt at this property for a long time to come. But I will deal with it."

Why not just play the two other shifts there and not have to deal with him?

Don
 
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