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[KewlJ]

Ok, so here is my "tap" story. In my time in Vegas I have received probably 80 backoffs, 1 trespass, and several entries in a database. I was lucky enough to play during the time, that the most common countermeasure was the polite backoff. "Any other game but blackjack", "Your game is just to strong". Those kind of things. And a back off is not permanent, despite what casinos want you to think. You can return and play blackjack again. Best to put a little distance between doing so. Several months for the casino and even a little longer for that particular pit person. I have returned to every casino that ever backed me off to play except one, which was just too small. And most of them, I played many, many times after being backed off and some have been backed off multiple times and keep returning.

So I received more backoffs in my early years than my later years. Because you learn what is and isn't tolerated. What playing limits, what session length and session wins. If you limit your session length, you basically limit session wins in most cases. And what is tolerated is different at different casinos and even times of day.

So anyway, this year, I have had no actual backoffs. But I have had a number of countermeasure "incidents". One of these was having my pictures electronically sent between casinos of the same chain. That surely would have resulted in a backoff or worse if I hadn't been alerted to it.

So the other "incident" was I had a dealer push my bet back from the betting circle and deal around me. Standing behind the dealer was a pit guy with his arms crossed trying to look imposing. So that is obviously where this came from. Other players at the table were calling "misdeal", but I got the message clear enough. Sort of a back off, but not a word spoken.

So a very short time later, I am driving right by that casino on my way home from other casinos. I decided to stop in because I was hungry and they have a burger joint I like. After eating I walked by the pit and didn't see either the pit guy or the dealer. So I decide to play a short session. Towards the end of the second shoe, in which I had already showed my spread and hit my exit trigger, I looked up and there was the pit guy staring at me from across the pit. He wasn't working the table I was playing but was on the other side of the pit. Upon making eye contact, he gave me "the Thumb". Like a hitchhiker jerking his thumb out. I decided that would be a good time to exit.

So we have all gotten "the tap", I got "the thumb". A second "like" backoff with not a single word spoken. Bigger issue is this guy is probably going to be a pain in my butt at this property for a long time to come. But I will deal with it.

 

[21forme]

I think we can go on with stories like this forever... And here's one similar to your thumb backoff:

Borgata 2008 or so. I had been countermeasured many times there. After each one, I'd create a new ID/player's card. When I'd walk in, I'd scan the pit and make sure nobody in the pit knew me by sight. Given the size of the casino and its multiple pits, it wasn't hard.

One time, I walked in past the big pit and kept going as I saw some familiar faces. I walked to the smaller pit towards the back (Sp21) and it looked good. So I sat down, handed in my player's card with a fresh name and started playing. After about 20 minutes, the PC went on break and his replacement arrived. I thought to myself, "oh well..." as ir was a guy I'd dealt with many times before. He looked over, saw me, then went to his computer, presumably to see why I was playing there without countermeasures. He looked back up at me as I was watching him and he simply shook his head. I shrugged my shoulders back at him, then got up and left, disappointed that the new player's card only lasted 20 minutes. A new record So like your thumb backoff, this was a shake of the head backoff.

BTW, isn't it better posting here and talking AP, rather than at that sad excuse of a forum where you continue to have pissing matches with the posers, liars and misanthropes that inhabit it?

 

[DSchles]

I sure as hell could explain it to a judge! But, the answer is simple: PS is mainly a SD phenomenon, and, as you well know, all of those games are in Nevada, where the casinos own all the judges.

But the point is more or less moot now, since 6:5 has rendered SD BJ a remnant of the past.

Don

 

[DSchles]

"Bigger issue is this guy is probably going to be a pain in my butt at this property for a long time to come. But I will deal with it."

Why not just play the two other shifts there and not have to deal with him?

Don

 

[The G Man]

All interesting stories and I have a real good one but way much too recent to post...

 

[PocketEights]

I think we can go on with stories like this forever... And here's one similar to your thumb backoff:

Borgata 2008 or so. I had been countermeasured many times there. After each one, I'd create a new ID/player's card. When I'd walk in, I'd scan the pit and make sure nobody in the pit knew me by sight. Given the size of the casino and its multiple pits, it wasn't hard.

One time, I walked in past the big pit and kept going as I saw some familiar faces. I walked to the smaller pit towards the back (Sp21) and it looked good. So I sat down, handed in my player's card with a fresh name and started playing. After about 20 minutes, the PC went on break and his replacement arrived. I thought to myself, "oh well..." as ir was a guy I'd dealt with many times before. He looked over, saw me, then went to his computer, presumably to see why I was playing there without countermeasures. He looked back up at me as I was watching him and he simply shook his head. I shrugged my shoulders back at him, then got up and left, disappointed that the new player's card only lasted 20 minutes. A new record So like your thumb backoff, this was a shake of the head backoff.

BTW, isn't it better posting here and talking AP, rather than at that sad excuse of a forum where you continue to have pissing matches with the posers, liars and misanthropes that inhabit it?

Its getting harder to keep using alias ID's with many casinos requiring a scan for players cards now. 2008 must have been a great time for this

 

[MrFatCat]

I have a more recent AC story to share in this thread! Also, sad I didn't realize this forum was getting some activity, I learned a lot here when I was first starting out about 7-8 years ago, so honestly my AC story is an update to the questions I was asking then.

I ended up playing rated at the Ocean both before and after COVID, got a bunch of free rooms and a little bit of food comp but not a ton else worth having. Overall, it seemed like rated was lower heat, right up until it wasn't. We were trying to go for the next card level and more comp, yada yada, ended up going down midweek, which was a huge mistake. Tables were stone dead, pit boss who I'd never seen before (and I believe was part time at Ocean but full time at Borgata) at first offered me the quiet back-off (a la the thumb or the head shake) by refusing to change the TV over to the tennis for my wife, but I decided to be stubborn that day, to my detriment, he half-shoed me and typed a lengthy note on my card.

We were going down a couple weeks later for a concert, and I played a short session after dinner while my wife and her brother were outside having a smoke, just to see whether my card was burnt. Indeed it was, although they didn't clock me in until after the first shoe had started, so I believe I got their usual cut of roughly 4.5/6 at the time. Count started to go up, so I went from $25 to 50, and then to 100 -- at which point the pit lady says she doesn't think I'm allowed to do that. I wave my hands at the sign on the table that said 25-2000 on it and asked where it said that, at which point we get interrupted by three suits who were standing in the aisle between the pits and had been staring intently at me (apparently, I was dialed into the blackjack and didn't see them in my blind spot). They say "we don't do that here, and that's a decision made upstairs, not by you" (clearly outranking this pit lady), she said okay whatever, I played my $100 hand or three, my wife and brother-in-law show up, and I'd dropped the count somewhere in the ruckus and it was time to go to the show anyhow.

I've played unrated there since even while staying on a room offer they're still giving me. Anyways, that story's from 2022, unsure whether that was before or after they outlawed the 5-50 placard, but would make a lot of sense if it was after!