1 and 2-deck games
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Downtown Vegas has some fair to good games but they are well protected. Tunica Mississippi also has fair to excellent one and two deck games. The best way is to go and hit the pavement. Oh and north Nevada Reno etc has fair to great games! Rememeber you need a five rounds dealt to you by your self for a fair game. Have fun!
Try CBJN...
...or similar services. The cost is nominal (in the big picture), and while the "SERVICES" will usually post a Disclaimer: "BJ conditions can change from day-to-day" (or even dealer-to-dealer), they usually do not, at least over the short term.
In other words, if CBJN states that Casino X in City Y offers a decent DD game in December, then odds ARE, it will still be decent in February.
If it ain't in CBJN, "call ahead"...I recently thought that I had "scooped" CBJN. I planned to stay in a Casino/Hotel in Minnesota that they had not listed! The 2003 American Casino Guide said they had BJ!
I could see the acclades (sp?) on bj.21..."Phantom007; 1st to report on BJ conditions in MN!"
They had NO BJ...tables shut down due to "lack of profit" per employees' report, or due to pulling Aces out of a 6D shoe (per some blind man I talked to in the men's room)...I believe the blind man!
Anyhow, if you are into the game seriously, or even "semi", I suggest that you pay the fees and get your B's (a local college joke for Drury in Springfield, Mo.)...armed with CBJN advice, you will be in an "Above Ave." position...All A's can only be obtained from your own shoe leather.
phantom007.
...or similar services. The cost is nominal (in the big picture), and while the "SERVICES" will usually post a Disclaimer: "BJ conditions can change from day-to-day" (or even dealer-to-dealer), they usually do not, at least over the short term.
In other words, if CBJN states that Casino X in City Y offers a decent DD game in December, then odds ARE, it will still be decent in February.
If it ain't in CBJN, "call ahead"...I recently thought that I had "scooped" CBJN. I planned to stay in a Casino/Hotel in Minnesota that they had not listed! The 2003 American Casino Guide said they had BJ!
I could see the acclades (sp?) on bj.21..."Phantom007; 1st to report on BJ conditions in MN!"
They had NO BJ...tables shut down due to "lack of profit" per employees' report, or due to pulling Aces out of a 6D shoe (per some blind man I talked to in the men's room)...I believe the blind man!
Anyhow, if you are into the game seriously, or even "semi", I suggest that you pay the fees and get your B's (a local college joke for Drury in Springfield, Mo.)...armed with CBJN advice, you will be in an "Above Ave." position...All A's can only be obtained from your own shoe leather.
phantom007.
YES!
LV---SD Casino---Strip---circa 2-3/03.
Dealers have NO cut card, i.e., they shuffle whenever they want.
After about 2 decks, when I realized what was going on, me being me, simply asked, "When do you decide to shuffle?"
Answer: "About half-way through sir."
So I started TIPPING, about half-way through, on POSITIVE decks only.
WORKED GREAT!
More than once, I was afraid that the poor girl (I mean guy) was going to run out of cards.
Won enough to offset my FPR's (Full Ploppy Remissions), and after 10 days in LV, come home with almost exactly, to the $, the amount that I had left with.
phantom007.
LV---SD Casino---Strip---circa 2-3/03.
Dealers have NO cut card, i.e., they shuffle whenever they want.
After about 2 decks, when I realized what was going on, me being me, simply asked, "When do you decide to shuffle?"
Answer: "About half-way through sir."
So I started TIPPING, about half-way through, on POSITIVE decks only.
WORKED GREAT!
More than once, I was afraid that the poor girl (I mean guy) was going to run out of cards.
Won enough to offset my FPR's (Full Ploppy Remissions), and after 10 days in LV, come home with almost exactly, to the $, the amount that I had left with.
phantom007.
Re: YES!
"So I started TIPPING, about half-way through, on POSITIVE decks only."
If you tip on every positive deck, midway through, you are easily tipping away more than your EV, and will be a long term loser. There is simply no way to beat a dealer who demands tips for penetration.
For example, if you are betting $100 a hand in positive counts, a tip less than $5 looks cheap to the dealer and may get you WORSE penetration. So you tip $5. Your EV on that $100 bet if you have a TC of 5 is only about $2.
--Mayor
"So I started TIPPING, about half-way through, on POSITIVE decks only."
If you tip on every positive deck, midway through, you are easily tipping away more than your EV, and will be a long term loser. There is simply no way to beat a dealer who demands tips for penetration.
For example, if you are betting $100 a hand in positive counts, a tip less than $5 looks cheap to the dealer and may get you WORSE penetration. So you tip $5. Your EV on that $100 bet if you have a TC of 5 is only about $2.
--Mayor
Re: YES!
Never tip! Tipping is for people who serve you and make your dinning experience or other service profitable to you monetarily or emotionally. Evryone has this dumb mind set that the casino dealers are entertaining you.
They are there to take your money!
If you tip it cuts drastically into your winnings if not your bank roll. If you feel you have to tip then read "Beyond Counting" by J. Grosjean. There is a great chapter there on tactical tipping that will not hurt you in the long run.
The dealers do work for tips yes but off of the suckers.
We are advantage players because we have studied the game and play with skill. Most successful counters understand the mathamatics of the game and play perfectly. This means that they are playing like a computer. This is the AP Nirvana we as serious players strive for.
I have seen idiots tip huge even after they lose 50K! They played like morons so they do moronic things; like tip. They say things like thanks for a great game to the dealer. I have heard the dealer apologize to losing players by saying "it's not me, it's the cards, they came out that way; I just deal them." Why would you tip someone who is, in all actuality just pushing a card under your nose when they even admit that its out of thier control. A waitress could have a drink under your nose and your food under your chin in record time. She diserves a tip!
Never tip! Tipping is for people who serve you and make your dinning experience or other service profitable to you monetarily or emotionally. Evryone has this dumb mind set that the casino dealers are entertaining you.
They are there to take your money!
If you tip it cuts drastically into your winnings if not your bank roll. If you feel you have to tip then read "Beyond Counting" by J. Grosjean. There is a great chapter there on tactical tipping that will not hurt you in the long run.
The dealers do work for tips yes but off of the suckers.
We are advantage players because we have studied the game and play with skill. Most successful counters understand the mathamatics of the game and play perfectly. This means that they are playing like a computer. This is the AP Nirvana we as serious players strive for.
I have seen idiots tip huge even after they lose 50K! They played like morons so they do moronic things; like tip. They say things like thanks for a great game to the dealer. I have heard the dealer apologize to losing players by saying "it's not me, it's the cards, they came out that way; I just deal them." Why would you tip someone who is, in all actuality just pushing a card under your nose when they even admit that its out of thier control. A waitress could have a drink under your nose and your food under your chin in record time. She diserves a tip!
My "tourist" solution
> Never tip!
> If you tip it cuts drastically into your winnings if not your bank roll.
Better yet, DON'T TIP OUT OF YOUR BANKROLL! Obviously it doesn't make sense to work so hard to get the casino's money just to give it back, but that doesn't mean you can't tip. Whenever I plan a gambling trip, I always keep a playing bankroll and an entertainment bankroll. I use the entertainment bankroll for tipping waitresses, dealers, and vallets. Of course, I'm still losing money, but it's not coming out of my winnings. Usually just one hour of working overtime at my job will pay for an entire week's worth of tipping.
But if playing blackjack is your job, then I agree you should never tip since EVERYTHING comes out of your playing bankroll.
> Why would you tip someone who is, in all actuality just pushing a card under
> your nose when they even admit that its out of thier control.
The only good reasons to tip a dealer are to create a good game, and to preserve a good game. Although the "tipping to get better pen" is mostly a waste of time if you don't know how to do it, it can sometimes help. Also, if you tip a dealer who is giving you good pen, they will remember you the next day. Sometimes a small tip on Tuesday will insure a good game on Wednesday withough tipping a second time!
-Sonny-
> Never tip!
> If you tip it cuts drastically into your winnings if not your bank roll.
Better yet, DON'T TIP OUT OF YOUR BANKROLL! Obviously it doesn't make sense to work so hard to get the casino's money just to give it back, but that doesn't mean you can't tip. Whenever I plan a gambling trip, I always keep a playing bankroll and an entertainment bankroll. I use the entertainment bankroll for tipping waitresses, dealers, and vallets. Of course, I'm still losing money, but it's not coming out of my winnings. Usually just one hour of working overtime at my job will pay for an entire week's worth of tipping.
But if playing blackjack is your job, then I agree you should never tip since EVERYTHING comes out of your playing bankroll.
> Why would you tip someone who is, in all actuality just pushing a card under
> your nose when they even admit that its out of thier control.
The only good reasons to tip a dealer are to create a good game, and to preserve a good game. Although the "tipping to get better pen" is mostly a waste of time if you don't know how to do it, it can sometimes help. Also, if you tip a dealer who is giving you good pen, they will remember you the next day. Sometimes a small tip on Tuesday will insure a good game on Wednesday withough tipping a second time!
-Sonny-
Re: My "tourist" solution
"The only good reasons to tip a dealer are to create a good game, and to preserve a good game. Although the "tipping to get better pen" is mostly a waste of time if you don't know how to do it, it can sometimes help. Also, if you tip a dealer who is giving you good pen, they will remember you the next day. Sometimes a small tip on Tuesday will insure a good game on Wednesday withough tipping a second time!
-Sonny-"
Good point. Like I said the best current read on strategic tipping is "Beyond Counting" By Grosjean. Just a note if the dealer is giving you agood game and your winning. It will get hot. Most dealers if not all know something of the effects of penetration and card counting. So be careful.
"The only good reasons to tip a dealer are to create a good game, and to preserve a good game. Although the "tipping to get better pen" is mostly a waste of time if you don't know how to do it, it can sometimes help. Also, if you tip a dealer who is giving you good pen, they will remember you the next day. Sometimes a small tip on Tuesday will insure a good game on Wednesday withough tipping a second time!
-Sonny-"
Good point. Like I said the best current read on strategic tipping is "Beyond Counting" By Grosjean. Just a note if the dealer is giving you agood game and your winning. It will get hot. Most dealers if not all know something of the effects of penetration and card counting. So be careful.
IMHO, You are all F#&K-ing WRONG!
Respectfully, LTC, et.al.:
On average, I get about 20 hours/mo. in Toonika (i.e., ave. 20 hours every month), and 18 hours/day in Lost Wages (i.e., 1-2 7-day trips/yr.), wherein I usually play 18 hours/day.
Anyhow, to date, my record is as follows, as regarding my BJ career:
---Barrings-----------------------0.
---"Run for the Door"-------------1.
---Heat---------------------------OFTEN.
---"Caught Counting"--------------1-3 by PC's.
---"Caught Counting"--------------235 by Dealers.
The point is that, "when I am caught", it is usually by the Dealers...NOT the PC's, the EYE, etc. They often say, "Why did you hit that 14 vs. my 2-up"...I cannot say "because the TC was -7", so I say, "on a hunch". He/she winks, I tip, and I keep on playing.
I have never experienced serious "heat" in 6D...but I often do in SD and DD. If I feel that I am getting too much attention, I simply jack-up my bets in ultra-negative decks (just like I do in ultra-positive decks), and try to make PLAY changes accordingly. Certainly, I am exchanging lots of EV for longevity, but, I DO LOVE THIS GAME!
Anyhow, I figure that I usually play at a 1% overall advantage, and tip back half of that as a "Business Expense".
IMHO,
phantom007.
Respectfully, LTC, et.al.:
On average, I get about 20 hours/mo. in Toonika (i.e., ave. 20 hours every month), and 18 hours/day in Lost Wages (i.e., 1-2 7-day trips/yr.), wherein I usually play 18 hours/day.
Anyhow, to date, my record is as follows, as regarding my BJ career:
---Barrings-----------------------0.
---"Run for the Door"-------------1.
---Heat---------------------------OFTEN.
---"Caught Counting"--------------1-3 by PC's.
---"Caught Counting"--------------235 by Dealers.
The point is that, "when I am caught", it is usually by the Dealers...NOT the PC's, the EYE, etc. They often say, "Why did you hit that 14 vs. my 2-up"...I cannot say "because the TC was -7", so I say, "on a hunch". He/she winks, I tip, and I keep on playing.
I have never experienced serious "heat" in 6D...but I often do in SD and DD. If I feel that I am getting too much attention, I simply jack-up my bets in ultra-negative decks (just like I do in ultra-positive decks), and try to make PLAY changes accordingly. Certainly, I am exchanging lots of EV for longevity, but, I DO LOVE THIS GAME!
Anyhow, I figure that I usually play at a 1% overall advantage, and tip back half of that as a "Business Expense".
IMHO,
phantom007.
Re: IMHO, You are all F#&K-ing WRONG!
""""Anyhow, I figure that I usually play at a 1% overall advantage, and tip back half of that as a "Business Expense".
IMHO,
phantom007.""""
I would never doubt your time in the trenches double O seven but your belief in the tip as a weapon is dangerous. You might as well over bet your bankroll. I have seen the math and had it explained to me in english and spanish. You are playing a losing game tipping half your advantage. I do know this when the Mayor, LV BEar, JohnJ, Stanford Wong, Don schlesinger, and the Reverond snyder tells me "No Tipping"! I listen!
You are wild man though. The Phantom 007 strikes again!!!! You should print up a bunch of playing cards or business cards saying something like "you have been taken by the Phantom007, advantage player extraordinair!" Leave at the casino when you leave! DO it so they cant know who you were! That will make them even more paranoid!
""""Anyhow, I figure that I usually play at a 1% overall advantage, and tip back half of that as a "Business Expense".
IMHO,
phantom007.""""
I would never doubt your time in the trenches double O seven but your belief in the tip as a weapon is dangerous. You might as well over bet your bankroll. I have seen the math and had it explained to me in english and spanish. You are playing a losing game tipping half your advantage. I do know this when the Mayor, LV BEar, JohnJ, Stanford Wong, Don schlesinger, and the Reverond snyder tells me "No Tipping"! I listen!
You are wild man though. The Phantom 007 strikes again!!!! You should print up a bunch of playing cards or business cards saying something like "you have been taken by the Phantom007, advantage player extraordinair!" Leave at the casino when you leave! DO it so they cant know who you were! That will make them even more paranoid!