200-2000 spread how long will u being banned
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Brock Windsor
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Not likely for BJ in the US. You will likely need to play multiple stores or use BP's. You could spread like that in AC without being banned, but every store might know you on site before you got to 320hours and you would be flat bet.beyondbj said:
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Also, just because your EV is $100K after 320 hours, remember that there's a very wide range your results could take after 320 hours. It's not like you can spend a month playing 10 hours a day knowing you will have $100K at the end of the month. Maybe you already know that there will be a very very wide range of results, but it still needs to be said 
. I personally just had a very hard reminder of how much results can vary. Good luck to you!
. I personally just had a very hard reminder of how much results can vary. Good luck to you!itrack said:
200-2000 for hourly rate 320 is an average number for most casino bj
how better u can get ?? it may get 380 per hour for better rule , u may bet 180-1800 for same result , but it doesnt help anything for being banned
my question is actually , how many casino in this world we can still playing for 200 hours each one , and to earn 1 mil US , u may need to find more than 30 different casinos which we can average play more than 100 hours before being kicked out
so is bj counter can become rich ? is it just a dream it can hardly success?
blackjack avenger
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3 Main Factors
The number of different casinos you play in.
The amount of camo you use, which will probably hurt your NO and win rate.
The more you win, the more likely you will face countermeasures, not necessarily a bad outcome!
Dropping your top bet to below $1,000 or even below $500 will make many more casinos available and add to longevity.
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The number of different casinos you play in.
The amount of camo you use, which will probably hurt your NO and win rate.
The more you win, the more likely you will face countermeasures, not necessarily a bad outcome!
Dropping your top bet to below $1,000 or even below $500 will make many more casinos available and add to longevity.
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Think of it this way:beyondbj said:
To add to longevity, you reduce your numbers to 50-500, hence $80/hour EV. If you do 50 hr work weeks, that means $208K annual income. Well, this doesn't make you filthy rich, but it sure puts you in high-income earner group in which you'll likely have financial freedom.
To make this income with non-BJ methods with the same amount of work, one needs years of schooling, master's, PHd degrees or lots of entreprenurial capabilities. Getting all that with playing blackjack is quite an achievement.
Of course in order to find places to play this game, moving to Vegas will be the sound choice. If you can at least find 20 stores that can handle this action, you can play 2.5 hours/week at each store. If you switch the shifts for each store every week, you'll likely see the same PC once in 3 weeks, for 2.5 hours each. If this is not going to create a problem, then $208K annual income should be pretty doable.
NightStalker
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Yes, it's possible
Play rated or use BP with lots of betting/playing cover..
Play rated or use BP with lots of betting/playing cover..
blackjack avenger said:
yes it can assume that if we play lower bet size , we can play longer
but its not a promise from casinos
u can still being banned for the same playing hours , then u may won half size as well
actually i want to get a list of casino in the world which still have shoe game countable , any successful counters can send me such list ?? thanks
kewljason
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A couple problems with some of this info. $500 top wager is not a good idea. $500 is one of the levels that draws additional scrutiny, so if you are going to hit $500, you might as well go on beyond that to say $700 or $800. To avoid this level you may want to top out at $450.wwcd said:
2.5 hour sessions are too long. Even with a lower spread such as $50-$500, you can't play sessions that long and hope to keep playing at the same stores over and over again. You have to shorten your sessions to under an hour. Actually, it is not the time factor that is important. It is going from a top or higher wager back down to a reduced wager that is the problem. Playing 2.5 hour sessions, you will have this occurance a number of times on average and this will do you in. The absolute best play is to always leave at the completion of a shoe in which you placed large or top wagers. Never let them see you reduce you wager!
50 hours a week on a steady basis is difficult and pretty unrealistic for most players. If you play short sessions which is the only way you can make this work, you will be on the move alot. This means more scouting and walking and down time and it would probably take 80+ hour of actual time to get in 50 hours of play time.
blackjack avenger
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Quite Improbable
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What Kewl said.
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It would not be easy to find 20 stores in Vegas that will take this action repeatedly over an extended period of time.wwcd said:
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What Kewl said.
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kewljason
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Another thought I had is what denomination table the OP is planning on playing. I can't speak of conditions around the world as I am not a world traveler, BJ player. I play in Las Vegas and the East Coast. But the problem is that if you play a $100 table with your $200-$2000 spread you are eliminating 95% of tables from consideration and the remaining one's available are the one's that are more closely watched. On the other hand if you play at a $25 table, you will have much more tables available to you, but you are going to stand out considerably with a top wager of 2 grand. It is kind of a no win situation and one of the reasons that players that play at the level you are discussing don't and can't play anywhere near the number of hours you are talking about.
if u are traveller from far away
u have the frieght cost and hotel cost
u must try to play 16x 14 days as u can
play short time per day is just for those live near the casino
or may be u go to a place which have many different casinos nearby then u may play each one for few hours
u have the frieght cost and hotel cost
u must try to play 16x 14 days as u can
play short time per day is just for those live near the casino
or may be u go to a place which have many different casinos nearby then u may play each one for few hours
moo321
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It's going to be nearly impossible to lay down that kind of spread for a long time playing rated. Casino heat is related to a lot of factors, much more than just your bet spread. Max bet is probably a bigger consideration at most casinos, as well as winnings.
You may get more heat spreading $1000-$5000 and winning $50k than spreading 5-2x$75 and winning $750.
In all honesty, it's just not practical for most solo counters to get a $300k bankroll down in a maximally profitable way. Your best bet is probably back-counting shoes for mid-black chips, and setting stop wins and stop-losses (don't generate a CTR!) You can grind out $1-200 an hour and if you get barred, you haven't surrendered the ID.
It' probably even difficult for a BP team to get a $300k bank down at a lot of places.
You may get more heat spreading $1000-$5000 and winning $50k than spreading 5-2x$75 and winning $750.
In all honesty, it's just not practical for most solo counters to get a $300k bankroll down in a maximally profitable way. Your best bet is probably back-counting shoes for mid-black chips, and setting stop wins and stop-losses (don't generate a CTR!) You can grind out $1-200 an hour and if you get barred, you haven't surrendered the ID.
It' probably even difficult for a BP team to get a $300k bank down at a lot of places.
flyingwind
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Max bets
Do most of you max bet at $450 x 2 hands? What is the size of the bankroll required to play with this max bet? (say, at a 3% or less of ROR)
Do you do this at green chip tables?
Do most of you max bet at $450 x 2 hands? What is the size of the bankroll required to play with this max bet? (say, at a 3% or less of ROR)
Do you do this at green chip tables?
blackjack avenger
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Finding One's Way
The bank needed would be in the lower to upper 5 figures range, again depending on above.
As far as bet spread some are more aggressive then others and this is also influenced by the above.
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No, most of us do not max at $450 X 2 hands. Our max bets would be determined by bank size, rules, how risk averse one is regarding ror and one's aversion to heat.flyingwind said:
The bank needed would be in the lower to upper 5 figures range, again depending on above.
As far as bet spread some are more aggressive then others and this is also influenced by the above.
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