"21" - Don't split 8's VS ten

[BjSkeaver20]

Just re-watched the movie. Caught this line during their coffee house scene. The girls were arguing to always split 8's, compared to not splitting against tens. I was under the assumption it is less costly to split the 8's. The exception being TC 8 (HI lo TC), in which case you stand.

The only logic I can find in their thinking, is that in most cases they were playing high TC's, so, if they somehow expected to have TC = 8+ every round, than it would be the proper index.

 

[daddybo]

wake up!

Just re-watched the movie. Caught this line during their coffee house scene. The girls were arguing to always split 8's, compared to not splitting against tens. I was under the assumption it is less costly to split the 8's. The exception being TC 8 (HI lo TC), in which case you stand.

The only logic I can find in their thinking, is that in most cases they were playing high TC's, so, if they somehow expected to have TC = 8+ every round, than it would be the proper index.

it's a MOVIE.

 

[shadroch]

A BAD movie, at that.

 

[Deathclutch]

it's a MOVIE.

You mean documentary? I think it plays on the History Channel now

 

[Lankester]

Lets take empirical look at the book "bringing down the House" of witch the move 21 was based. Chapter 1, sentence 2: "There were three empty martini glasses on the table in front of him..", all casinos religiously remove empty glasses. Either the dealer or pit boss, but the waitress will never give a player a drink without out removing the old one, much less three. This is one of many BS things in the book and movie.

Counting cards stopped working working about the year 2000 - 02, I hope you know why. Had a lot of fun till then. If you are looking at the MIT team for info today, by all means use "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" series by Robert Kiyosaki (It is on PBS, must be accurate. Yeah right) as a guide for investing also. If you don't know why both are a heap of Bull*hit... can't help you.

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two 8's is a god awful hand. Ken Uston wrote in his book and I verified, the idea is not to win. By splitting you will lose one hand and win the other more times than not.

 

[daddybo]

You mean documentary? I think it plays on the History Channel now

I would not doubt that! ( it's kinda funny, but believe it or not I've never seen the movie.)

 

[21gunsalute]

You mean documentary? I think it plays on the History Channel now

You mean the Pseudo Reinvented History Channel? The one that has a story about Noah's Ark that comes to the conclusion that Noah and his family really did survive a flood by drinking the beer he brewed on board?

 

[daddybo]

moody tonight!

two 8's is a god awful hand. Ken Uston wrote in his book and I verified, the idea is not to win. By splitting you will lose one hand and win the other more times than not.

Okay.. I'm in a mood. 8,8 is NOT a "god awful hand". It' just not a great hand.
Seventeen is a "god awful hand".

 

[Lankester]

Okay.. I'm in a mood. 8,8 is NOT a "god awful hand". It' just not a great hand.
Seventeen is a "god awful hand".

BjSkeaver20 has it right, you always split 8,8 vs. ten unless the count is high (true count of 6 for Uston's APC)

I have done my own simulations using my own program over 10 years ago, and this is right, not to win but to break even.

Try hitting soft 18, watch the table throw a fit. The smart people watch when you hit 12 Vs. 2 or 3 and you take the dealers bust card. I wish I could be as smart as them.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

BjSkeaver20 has it right, you always split 8,8 vs. ten unless the count is high (true count of 6 for Uston's APC)
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Or if you have surrender available, surrender it in any positive count. It keeps them guessing.

 

[UK-21]

In actual fact, that scene was filmed in London. ENHC BS dictates that you don't split your 8s against a dealer 10. :laugh:

 

[Deathangl13]

I believe they were arguing that Splitting 8's versus a ten or face card was a "sucker's play". That would be true if you "knew" there was a 9 or 10 in the hole. Truthfully though the dealer will have something less than a ten in the hole more times than not. Maybe a 7, and then you're in really good shape....