5-200

Gambler23

Active Member
#1
The casino closest to me offers 5 dollar to 200 max. Dealer hits soft 17 and blackjack pays 1.5 to 1. Double on any two cards. Six deck game.

I was wondering is this to steep of a bet spread:

True Count: 1 Bet 10
2 Bet 25
3 Bet 50
4 Bet 100

or somewhere around these amounts? I was also wondering is a true count of 2 or more just as good as 6?
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#3
Gambler23 said:
The casino closest to me offers 5 dollar to 200 max. Dealer hits soft 17 and blackjack pays 1.5 to 1. Double on any two cards. Six deck game.

I was wondering is this to steep of a bet spread:

True Count: 1 Bet 10
2 Bet 25
3 Bet 50
4 Bet 100

or somewhere around these amounts? I was also wondering is a true count of 2 or more just as good as 6?
What would you rather have, a 1% edge or a 3% edge? Then, answer your own question.

For the second part of your question, I would answer you by PM if this were not your first post.
 

johndoe

Well-Known Member
#4
Gambler23 said:
or somewhere around these amounts? I was also wondering is a true count of 2 or more just as good as 6?
Because the table limit is only $200, if you have a large bankroll you'd probably be making the same bets at TC of 2 or 6, so in that respect it's "just as good". But the advantage is much different.

The appropriate "steepness" of your ramp really depends on the size of your BR and the amount of risk you're willing to take.
 

Gambler23

Active Member
#5
My bankroll is small right now but lets say it wasnt im wondering will they care if you bet up to 100?

If you lose they dont care but how much could you win at a five dollar table without them caring?
 

Gamblor

Well-Known Member
#6
Gambler23 said:
My bankroll is small right now but lets say it wasnt im wondering will they care if you bet up to 100?

If you lose they dont care but how much could you win at a five dollar table without them caring?
You would think most places don't care about a 100 bet, but I know of at least one casino that does at a $5 table, at times.

Generally if your losing casinos care a lot less than when your winning, but not always. In fact, losing big is almost as bad as winning big at times.

When should you leave if your up big? Depends on the situation, but if your up around $400-$500 at a $5 table you might start considering it.

Why no straight answer? Because a lot of things in CC are conditional.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#7
Gambler23 said:
My bankroll is small right now but lets say it wasnt im wondering will they care if you bet up to 100?

If you lose they dont care but how much could you win at a five dollar table without them caring?
Small places operate on a small margin. They tend to be very sweaty, even at what would be an insignificant wager at a large casino. Betting half the house limit is no small wager relatively speaking.
 
#11
Play all HiLo with all indexes is $.13 a round and RoR of 4.5% w/ $10k
no indexes is $.08 a round and 15% RoR

5 - neutral/negative
10 +1, 25 +2, 50 +3, 100 + 4
 

Gamblor

Well-Known Member
#13
Gambler23 said:
You would consider walking away with $500 won but what if the count was really high your just going to leave in the middle of a shoe?
No, never. Not saying you leave when you exactly have some amount, just a general range. Just don't stick around too long, and leave at an opportune time.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#14
Gamblor said:
No, never. Not saying you leave when you exactly have some amount, just a general range. Just don't stick around too long, and leave at an opportune time.
Like the end of the shoe. :whip:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#16
Gambler23 said:
How many hours do you normally go to one casino for?
It ranges from don't play at all to play all night.

How sweaty is the casino?
How good are the comps?
How good are the games?
Are there other good games nearby?
What are your goals?
Do you wish to return soon?
Will you ever return?
Is it a pitch or shoe game?
Do you play rated or unrated?
And I hate to say it... et cetera.

Even the formulas in this game are not certain... that is, if you don't play perfectly the formulas don't apply (I mean, your results will vary from expectations).

If I have learned anything about this game it is that you have to plan carefully, but be ready to act by the seat of you pants depending on the specific circumstances your encounter.

A brain is the most important asset an AP has. There are two ways to develop a brain-- (1) read everything you can get your hands on written by pros (or talk directly with pros), and (2) experience pain. It often goes like this: read what the pros have to say first, then disregard some of what you read (because you're smarter), then suffer pain, then learn to trust the advice of the pros. Or you can neglect reading altogether, jump right in and suffer pain, then, with your bankroll and ego in a cast, read how to avoid the pain.

The smart AP reads (or talks with the pros), acts on what he reads/learns, analyzes his results, compares them with established guidelines, reads/inquires more to improve results, correct any flaws in his play, and expand his skills.

This is my belief. Others may vary. It's pretty plain vanilla generic. There are no shortcuts as your questions seem to imply. Get a couple of good books on Blackjack and start reading.
 
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#17
Im wondering about betting 5 then bet 100 at a true count of 2 or should the max bet be 60 so i could split and double? This is the casino by my house.
 
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#18
Gambler23 said:
Im wondering about betting 5 then bet 100 at a true count of 2? This is the casino by my house.
If you don't know what "cheques play" means yet, you will probably quickly find out doing this. Not saying you can't do it - it might actually give you some cover, as it's a huge jump and a move that pure ploppy gamblers sometimes do - but it will almost certainly draw some attention, especially if the table limit is only $200.

If you do something like this you might consider doing something like pushing out a big stack of all red and saying something like "I'm gonna go for it on this one!". Again, this is the type of thing drunk, degenerate ploppys do from time to time. The problem w/this though is they usually only do it from time to time - rarely, as it won't take to many attempts at this until they realize how stupid it is (because they usually don't have the bank to support this kind of action and are just pushing out most of what they have with them or have won up to then, hoping to double it up quickly or bust out). A true count of +2 will have you doing this more often than the average plop pulls this move, so you will have to mix it up or it will definitely stand out.

It's a good thing that the casino is right next to your house though. These kinds of moves might be sending you home earlier than expected.
 
#19
If they say table max is 200 and you bet 60 and split 8's and you just so happen to get 11 twice with each. Could you double there?

My friend went and had no idea what he was doing. He bet minimum and lost but when he was getting close to losing most of his money he would bet everything so its somewhat similiar right?
 
#20
Gambler23 said:
If they say table max is 200 and you bet 60 and split 8's and you just so happen to get 11 twice with each. Could you double there?

My friend went and had no idea what he was doing. He bet minimum and lost but when he was getting close to losing most of his money he would bet everything so its somewhat similiar right?
You should be able to double in that situation with whatever your original bet was. Or you may be able to double for less is you prefer.
 
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