A guy was dealt 8 8 vs dealer Q, but didn't have money to split... ($600 bet)
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I don't mind doubling on someone's hand when they're out of money, but I'm wary of splitting. Too many things can go wrong, as the other can easily f*** you over. "Oh but your hand lost and my hand won..." So be careful of this.
Other than that, for the love of God, you would never want to to do that with 88's vs 10 OP.
Other than that, for the love of God, you would never want to to do that with 88's vs 10 OP.
Some basic strategy splits are done only to reduce our net loss.
This we call "Defensive Splitting"
There is no "Defensive Doubling"
NOTE: Out of money, unable to re-split and / or double; he made a seriously egregious error.
NOTE: Even if he had another $600 to split he would be a fool to do so,
as he can't re-split ~ or ~ double, making the split a particularly dicey move.
NOTE: Even if he had another $1,800 in his pockets, issues of Risk Aversion
come into play as this $600 move involves too high a % of his cash in order
to create a hand where his expectation will be to lose a slightly
smaller amount — at too high a cost.
NOTE: IF there was Late Surrender available, he ought to do so — irrespective of the True Count.
This we call "Defensive Splitting"
There is no "Defensive Doubling"
NOTE: Out of money, unable to re-split and / or double; he made a seriously egregious error.
NOTE: Even if he had another $600 to split he would be a fool to do so,
as he can't re-split ~ or ~ double, making the split a particularly dicey move.
NOTE: Even if he had another $1,800 in his pockets, issues of Risk Aversion
come into play as this $600 move involves too high a % of his cash in order
to create a hand where his expectation will be to lose a slightly
smaller amount — at too high a cost.
NOTE: IF there was Late Surrender available, he ought to do so — irrespective of the True Count.
Why would anyone out of money permit you to double on their hand? But I see it done all the time. It limit's the guy's hand to taking one card, when all he can win is single. If he has eleven, and he let's someone else double on his hand, then catches an ace, he cannot draw additional cards, and so he has raised his risk of losing the hand.
You could also try to buy his hand, if you point out he is playing on a large disadvantage not being able to double. Of course he is in a better position just hitting that hand vs. selling that hand for the initial bet.
But maybe he doesn't know that, then you get twice the EV vs. your simple double.
But maybe he doesn't know that, then you get twice the EV vs. your simple double.
Z I wouldn't loan anyone any cash, unless I knew them, or at least knew they were a diehard regular. I once witnessed an out of cash player with AA vs dealer face card, having to hit twice and busting out with two face cards. Also, seen people leave the table to go to the ATM or room for more cash, holding up the game which sucks. I'm not sure what an acceptable waiting time for a player to return would be, like I said waiting sucks..
I hit the 19 to 1 with $25 out, but that's the best I've done so far. Also, had many consecutive losers with $25 out in the same game. The games I've played so far have had mediocre pen. I can only imagine a game with great pen would be a great game for LL. If anyone has found one, please PM me. Thanks.