# A practical approach to counting the Dragon / Panda at EZ Baccarat

#### Runit

##### Member
Hello,
I have been interested in playing two side bets which most of us probably know about: the Dragon and Panda side bets in EZ Baccarat.
An analysis has been done for both the Dragon and Panda side bet by Eliot Jacobson, which he has since deleted but the content is still available through WoO, thank you Mike.
For those who don't know and would like to know you can read about the Panda and the Dragon side bets here:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/dragon-bet/
https://wizardofodds.com/games/bacc...e bet in,Banker bet with a 3-card 7 will push.
Based on the analysis done, the Dragon and Panda side bets are considered to be weak plays because of the high volatility of the game, however, I have yet to see a comprehensive analysis done on counting both the Panda and the Dragon simultaneously while also making small banker bets in order to run the shoe, fishing for a count.
What I would like to know, for anyone who is generous enough, and willing enough to take on the challenge: What is the EV, SCORE, CE, N0 and RoR for a 90k bankroll for playing Baccarat heads up, placing \$10 banker bets every round and then betting \$100 on the Dragon and / or Panda at any edge.
Assume 15 cards cut off from. The Dragon count being used is (0,0,0,-1,-1,-1,-1,2,2,0) with a trigger true count of +4. The Panda count that will be used
10,J,Q,K = +1 , A= +1, 2=+1, 3=-2, 4=-2, 5=-2, 6=-1, 7=-1, 8=-2, 9=+4 when a true 11 is reached \$100 is bet on the Panda.
Thank you to anyone who is interested in doing some digging in to this complex math problem.

#### Eliot Jacobson

##### Member
Runit said:
Hello,
I have been interested in playing two side bets which most of us probably know about: the Dragon and Panda side bets in EZ Baccarat.
An analysis has been done for both the Dragon and Panda side bet by Eliot Jacobson, which he has since deleted but the content is still available through WoO, thank you Mike.
For those who don't know and would like to know you can read about the Panda and the Dragon side bets here:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/dragon-bet/
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/8/#:~:text=The Panda 8 is a side bet in,Banker bet with a 3-card 7 will push.
Based on the analysis done, the Dragon and Panda side bets are considered to be weak plays because of the high volatility of the game, however, I have yet to see a comprehensive analysis done on counting both the Panda and the Dragon simultaneously while also making small banker bets in order to run the shoe, fishing for a count.
What I would like to know, for anyone who is generous enough, and willing enough to take on the challenge: What is the EV, SCORE, CE, N0 and RoR for a 90k bankroll for playing Baccarat heads up, placing \$10 banker bets every round and then betting \$100 on the Dragon and / or Panda at any edge.
Assume 15 cards cut off from. The Dragon count being used is (0,0,0,-1,-1,-1,-1,2,2,0) with a trigger true count of +4. The Panda count that will be used
10,J,Q,K = +1 , A= +1, 2=+1, 3=-2, 4=-2, 5=-2, 6=-1, 7=-1, 8=-2, 9=+4 when a true 11 is reached \$100 is bet on the Panda.
Thank you to anyone who is interested in doing some digging in to this complex math problem.
I didn't delete any of my work. You should be able to find it by going to my website advancedadvantageplay.com and going to the pull down menu under AP heat.