A work in progress...

#1
A new progression I'm working on and it goes something like this:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase you bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over

Good luck !
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#3
picasso said:
A new progression I'm working on and it goes something like this:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase you bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over

Good luck !
Yup, you're going to need good luck for this to work...lots and lots and lots of good luck.
 

Machinist

Well-Known Member
#4
okay!!!!

At least you got the right section....If you will notice this is the voodoo section.....
Give it a shot and others will learn from your experience......

Machinist
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#5
picasso said:
A new progression I'm working on and it goes something like this:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase you bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over

Good luck !
I'd like to see the theory, rationale, logic and mathematics behind this.
 

blackjacktilt

Well-Known Member
#6
picasso said:
A new progression I'm working on and it goes something like this:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase you bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over

Good luck !

Progression systems always fail... Learn to count and use it as cover only
 

rrwoods

Well-Known Member
#9
picasso said:
A new progression I'm working on and it goes something like this:

1) must be played at a full table
2) flat bet and keep track of units lost
3) increase you bet ONLY when 5 or more players at the table lose their hands

I add 1$ for every unit lost +

Hands lost at table:
5 : I add 1 extra dollar
6 : I add 2 more dollars
7 : I add 3 more dollars

Once you win your bigger bet, start all over

Good luck !
See, this is the voodoo section, where people are free to post things like progressions and be politely told why they don't work. I always do my best to clearly explain the math, lack of correlation with advantage, etc.

However for this one I've really only got three words:

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
 
#11
rrwoods said:
See, this is the voodoo section, where people are free to post things like progressions and be politely told why they don't work. I always do my best to clearly explain the math, lack of correlation with advantage, etc.

However for this one I've really only got three words:

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
I'll take that as a compliment and give myself one point for having imagination.
 
#12
chrisko6 said:
its not in the cards ...
I do not necessarily disagree that it's not in the cards; I have been «testing» it on casino vérité; the process is slow since I have to take in account how many hands lose at the table and adjust my betting in consequence. I started with 1,000$, my lowest amount is 629$ and my highest presently is 2,418$ for a profit of 1,418$ after playing 4016 hands of blackjack on a 10$ table. I know it's not statistically significant, but a profit is a profit ! (or the prophet is making a profit ! :))
 
#13
My system

I use a system, too. I call it "flat betting." I bet the same amount on each hand no matter what. Over time, my system will lose about as much as Picasso's system, but at least my variance will be lower. :)
 
#14
What I like about this system is that it is very unlikely to spiral out of control like most negative progressions. If you ever played a Martingale, Fibonacci, D’Alembert, Labouchere or even Oscar’s Grind (technically speaking, Oscar is a positive progression in the sense that the bet is increased following a win not after a losing hand, but you are still running after lost money) you know what I’m talking about. Losing 10 to 20 hands in a row will kill your progression or your bank roll, but this is quite unlikely to happen with this system. For it to happen you would have to lose many hands in a row while 5 or more players at the table lose at the same time as yourself plus counting there is no reshuffle in between. Otherwise you are flat betting and waiting to play your bigger bet. Of course, your increasing progression could lose on 10 to 20 separate occurrences immediately following 5 or more loses at the table and probably killing your bank roll. My bet is that this is also unlikely to happen, because winning and losing streaks usually happen in just that: streaks. If the deck is hot for the dealer, more than likely you will be flat betting in no time. If the deck is hot for the player, you will win flat bets. If the deck is about even, you are likely to fulfill your progression. After 4016 hands, my biggest bet was 55$, peanuts. Most losses in a row so far is 10 and 6/10 of those where flat bets! The problem I find playing this system is what do you do if the table suddenly has less than, say, 6 players? You can take a break or flat bet until the table is mostly full or use another more risky progression. Anyways, I prefer approaching blackjack playing perfect basic strategy and employing a conservative/negative progression, it certainly gives me more than an edge over your run of the mill ploppy.
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#15
picasso said:
What I like about this system is that it is very unlikely to spiral out of control like most negative progressions. If you ever played a Martingale, Fibonacci, D’Alembert, Labouchere or even Oscar’s Grind (technically speaking, Oscar is a positive progression in the sense that the bet is increased following a win not after a losing hand, but you are still running after lost money) you know what I’m talking about. Losing 10 to 20 hands in a row will kill your progression or your bank roll, but this is quite unlikely to happen with this system. For it to happen you would have to lose many hands in a row while 5 or more players at the table lose at the same time as yourself plus counting there is no reshuffle in between. Otherwise you are flat betting and waiting to play your bigger bet. Of course, your increasing progression could lose on 10 to 20 separate occurrences immediately following 5 or more loses at the table and probably killing your bank roll. My bet is that this is also unlikely to happen, because winning and losing streaks usually happen in just that: streaks. If the deck is hot for the dealer, more than likely you will be flat betting in no time. If the deck is hot for the player, you will win flat bets. If the deck is about even, you are likely to fulfill your progression. After 4016 hands, my biggest bet was 55$, peanuts. Most losses in a row so far is 10 and 6/10 of those where flat bets! The problem I find playing this system is what do you do if the table suddenly has less than, say, 6 players? You can take a break or flat bet until the table is mostly full or use another more risky progression. Anyways, I prefer approaching blackjack playing perfect basic strategy and employing a conservative/negative progression, it certainly gives me more than an edge over your run of the mill ploppy.
Then why not just flat bet every hand? You won't likely lose much this way and you won't likely win much either. I don't see any upside to your system.
 
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