About those "Asian" casino rooms
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Welcome back FLASH. I know some others call you a cheat, liar, etc on another message board but I think with the good moderators here you will be O.K.
I did not want to get into this thread even if I feel I am most qualified to comment here because it will end up in racial profiling which is not only illegal but Sonny will zapped this thread at any time.
I did not want to get into this thread even if I feel I am most qualified to comment here because it will end up in racial profiling which is not only illegal but Sonny will zapped this thread at any time.
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I've been in the MGM Grand plenty of times in the past, not this year though, and frankly I can't remember how it's laid out. Anyway, I'm sure there's a logical reason for the mistake--maybe the way one enters the HL room (which I have never played in) or some perspective that would give him the wrong impression. Is it called "The Mansions," and might it have different games on different days or times of day or year? I am sure you're not intimating he is lying--just maybe made an honest mistake. 
Speaking of memory, please test everything I say. Believe me, I cannot remember the games I played last week without great effort--just the amount I won or lost. Pleasure and pain are still great memory joggers. :laugh:
Speaking of memory, please test everything I say. Believe me, I cannot remember the games I played last week without great effort--just the amount I won or lost. Pleasure and pain are still great memory joggers. :laugh:
aslan said:
I've been in the MGM Grand plenty of times in the past, not this year though, and frankly I can't remember how it's laid out. Anyway, I'm sure there's a logical reason for the mistake--maybe the way one enters the HL room (which I have never played in) or some perspective that would give him the wrong impression. Is it called "The Mansions," and might it have different games on different days or times of day or year? I am sure you're not intimating he is lying--just maybe made an honest mistake. Speaking of memory, please test everything I say. Believe me, I cannot remember the games I played last week without great effort--just the amount I won or lost. Pleasure and pain are still great memory joggers. :laugh:
Speaking of memory, please test everything I say. Believe me, I cannot remember the games I played last week without great effort--just the amount I won or lost. Pleasure and pain are still great memory joggers. :laugh:
Flash stylistically make posts that are...rather forceful. You might even call many of his posts "pronouncements"
and yet he turns out to be wrong time and time again...which just leads to the spread of mis- information.
sometimes he apologies...other times he just stays silent.
If they are honest mistakes, he makes a lot of them.
Here one's for Vegas
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=67275
Here's one for AC
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=12254
Here's one for strategy
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=12701
For the past say 5 years, the Mansions have always had the same games.
Nope, you're wrong. The UK holds the torch for political correctness. In fact any organisation that had a room called "The Asian Room" would, I think, be on thin ice. Just about any public criticism of the behaviour of people from the ethnic minorities comes with a health warning, and there's no doubt that individuals from EM communities can get away with things that would see your average white guy in hot water.
The comment about groups of ethnic chinese players all leaving the moment a black player sat down doesn't surprise me. In my working life some of the worst examples of racial prejudice I've experienced have been from people from ethnic minority communities - some of it quite blatent and outrageous.
A lot of it is subtle of course. I do get cheesed off when I occasionally visit Napoleon's in London's Leicester Square - the management there ensure that there's a copious amount of newspapers written in cantonese/mandarin for the use of patrons, but you try finding a copy of a mainstream published (English) newspaper in the house. Having given up looking for one I did ask the barman once if I needed to speak Cantonese in order to patronise the place. He told me it would help . . . .
The comment about groups of ethnic chinese players all leaving the moment a black player sat down doesn't surprise me. In my working life some of the worst examples of racial prejudice I've experienced have been from people from ethnic minority communities - some of it quite blatent and outrageous.
A lot of it is subtle of course. I do get cheesed off when I occasionally visit Napoleon's in London's Leicester Square - the management there ensure that there's a copious amount of newspapers written in cantonese/mandarin for the use of patrons, but you try finding a copy of a mainstream published (English) newspaper in the house. Having given up looking for one I did ask the barman once if I needed to speak Cantonese in order to patronise the place. He told me it would help . . . .
Points taken. I like him just the same, but Flash, if you're listening, I'm going to weigh your posts more carefully from now on. :laugh: Luckily, we have a very knowledgeable forum, so the chance of error being spread is somewhere between slim and none. What do they say, "There is wisdom in many counsels." I think its biblical, but whatever, it often applies.
OK, Chichow, I have been trying to stay out of these types of threads, but since you asked me in a PM how I can still respect the guy, I will weigh in.
First of all Flash has posted 2500 times. Of course some of his posts contain errors or misinformation or he wasn't able to express himself as he would have liked. Anyone who posts regularly and contributes as often as Flash, myself included is guilty of this. I personally disagree with some of flash's opinions. I think he puts too much weight on the additional benefits of a level 2 count over hi-lo for example. Just one example. Dosen't make him right or wrong. (sims do not answer this argument, btw) This type of thing is just opinion.
As for misinformation, like the High Limit room at MGM, well I can't say. I don't play there. As a rule I avoid high limit areas, as I believe the extra attention paid in those venues outweighs the reward, at least for me. You say the games have been the same for the last 5 years. That seems rather a difinative statement. Have you been there everyday for the last 5 years? :laugh: Anyway so you have posted links to several threads that Flash was in error. Out of 2500. I mean I am sure there is way more than this, but it looks like you went back several years to find these. Seems kind of like a witch hunt to me.
One thing I will say about Flash is that he is one of the few members I seen here that readily admits when he is wrong and apoligizes. And while he may make some errors and occasionally post some misinformation, his overall intent seems honorable to me. He is not setting out to provide misinformation and mislead players in a way that could prove harmful, as a recent poster claiming to have make a quarter million in 10 months play of straight counting did. Someone like that should be called out. Just my opinion.
Other thing that Flash once admitted, that I find humorous, is that he occasionally posts at the end of the day while enjoying a cocktail. Based on some of the posts on this site, I suspect he is not alone in that area. Perhaps keyboards should come with a breathalizer attached to prevent such. :laugh:
First of all Flash has posted 2500 times. Of course some of his posts contain errors or misinformation or he wasn't able to express himself as he would have liked. Anyone who posts regularly and contributes as often as Flash, myself included is guilty of this.
I personally disagree with some of flash's opinions. I think he puts too much weight on the additional benefits of a level 2 count over hi-lo for example. Just one example. Dosen't make him right or wrong. (sims do not answer this argument, btw) This type of thing is just opinion. As for misinformation, like the High Limit room at MGM, well I can't say. I don't play there. As a rule I avoid high limit areas, as I believe the extra attention paid in those venues outweighs the reward, at least for me. You say the games have been the same for the last 5 years. That seems rather a difinative statement. Have you been there everyday for the last 5 years? :laugh: Anyway so you have posted links to several threads that Flash was in error. Out of 2500.
I mean I am sure there is way more than this, but it looks like you went back several years to find these. Seems kind of like a witch hunt to me. One thing I will say about Flash is that he is one of the few members I seen here that readily admits when he is wrong and apoligizes. And while he may make some errors and occasionally post some misinformation, his overall intent seems honorable to me. He is not setting out to provide misinformation and mislead players in a way that could prove harmful, as a recent poster claiming to have make a quarter million in 10 months play of straight counting did. Someone like that should be called out. Just my opinion.
Other thing that Flash once admitted, that I find humorous, is that he occasionally posts at the end of the day while enjoying a cocktail. Based on some of the posts on this site, I suspect he is not alone in that area.
Perhaps keyboards should come with a breathalizer attached to prevent such. :laugh:
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OK, Chichow, I have been trying to stay out of these types of threads, but since you asked me in a PM how I can still respect the guy, I will weigh in.
^^^
Well...you could still stay out "these" type of threads...just hold back. I, myself, attempt to hold back, but Flash makes these pronoucements that are just dead wrong. Please note that I am not questioning Flash's statements on his stated winnings, whether one prefers Indian casinos, whether one dresses up in a pink tutu. ..
What I AM stating is that FLASH will compose posts to the forum that contain errors at a higher rate than other posters and that there is no denying the falsehoods contained in some of these posts.
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First of all Flash has posted 2500 times. Of course some of his posts contain errors or misinformation or he wasn't able to express himself as he would have liked. Anyone who posts regularly and contributes as often as Flash, myself included is guilty of this. I personally disagree with some of flash's opinions. I think he puts too much weight on the additional benefits of a level 2 count over hi-lo for example. Just one example. Dosen't make him right or wrong. (sims do not answer this argument, btw) This type of thing is just opinion.
^^^
I also agree that we all make errors. I would go on a gut feel though that the number of error or misinformation et. al. is a lot higher by Flash than it is by you, or Shadroch, or QFIT, etc.
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As for misinformation, like the High Limit room at MGM, well I can't say. I don't play there. As a rule I avoid high limit areas, as I believe the extra attention paid in those venues outweighs the reward, at least for me. You say the games have been the same for the last 5 years. That seems rather a difinative statement. Have you been there everyday for the last 5 years? Anyway so you have posted links to several threads that Flash was in error. Out of 2500. I mean I am sure there is way more than this, but it looks like you went back several years to find these. Seems kind of like a witch hunt to me.
^^^
With respect to the HL at MGM. Let's just say the next time you are in Vegas, if you could do all of us a favor and take a look. I'm not asking you to play, just stroll on through. Its perfectly walk in and out. First section. Games on left. Games on right. Second section. Bar / Food Area to the left. Games in a large room to the right. Then some hallways to the restrooms and other private rooms and then back to a more secluded entrance. If you could note, the type of games in the HL area, I would appreciate it.
As for my statement for the last 5 year; ok I will caveat. For the times that I have been to Vegas during each of the past 5 years whether it is once or multiple times a year, the HL room at the MGM have always had more games than just Baccarat. In fact, let's say via PM, I'll provide more evidence. There is a pit boss that used to work at MGM. He now works at the Wynn. If you or Shadroch or Aslan, etc. (I pick these names as posters that state that they freq. Vegas with regularity) spoke to this pit boss, I would wager a tidy sum of money that he would concur with my above statement.
As for Flash, its not a witch hunt. I spent 5 minutes. I could have gone back further. Here let's see:
math and he goes quiet - where is the apology?
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=186164#post186164
London - and he doesn't apologize nor state that the information that he provided is not relevant to the OP
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=18594
wrong on other games - still no apology
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=188196#post18
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One thing I will say about Flash is that he is one of the few members I seen here that readily admits when he is wrong and apoligizes. And while he may make some errors and occasionally post some misinformation, his overall intent seems honorable to me. He is not setting out to provide misinformation and mislead players in a way that could prove harmful, as a recent poster claiming to have make a quarter million in 10 months play of straight counting did. Someone like that should be called out. Just my opinion.
^^^
See the previous links for mis-information and no apologies.
Let's look at facts - ( what is posted)
vs. intent - (oh maybe I really meant this.)
Stylistically, Flash types in a font which for the rest of the Internet means that the poster REALLY MEANS it (type in all caps, different colour, larger font)
And then his statements tend to be all or nothing...
""because Pit Bosses always suspect 3rd base players of being CARD COUNTERS." - from FLASH
really? And all card counters ALWAYS wear baseball caps and are white college looking guys...
And they can be mis-leading
"Originally Posted by FLASH1296
In Las Vegas at high-end stores, like The Wynn for instance, Double Deck Games are dealt face up.
Flash: sometimes your posts are a bit misleading as information is left out or statements are completely right (e.g. $5 vs $10 dollar tables in AC).
Many other MGM places that are not high-end stores deal DD face up e.g. Treasure Island, etc.
...just saying..."
So as I stated in the beginning:
FLASH will compose posts to the forum that contain errors at a higher rate than other posters and that there is no denying the falsehoods contained in some of these posts.
--
Other thing that Flash once admitted, that I find humorous, is that he occasionally posts at the end of the day while enjoying a cocktail. Based on some of the posts on this site, I suspect he is not alone in that area. Perhaps keyboards should come with a breathalizer attached to prevent such.
^^^
Perhaps its better to not drunk call, drunk text, drunk post. Or maybe leave the facts out of it and go post on Zen Zone
^^^
Well...you could still stay out "these" type of threads...just hold back. I, myself, attempt to hold back, but Flash makes these pronoucements that are just dead wrong. Please note that I am not questioning Flash's statements on his stated winnings, whether one prefers Indian casinos, whether one dresses up in a pink tutu. ..
What I AM stating is that FLASH will compose posts to the forum that contain errors at a higher rate than other posters and that there is no denying the falsehoods contained in some of these posts.
---
First of all Flash has posted 2500 times. Of course some of his posts contain errors or misinformation or he wasn't able to express himself as he would have liked. Anyone who posts regularly and contributes as often as Flash, myself included is guilty of this. I personally disagree with some of flash's opinions. I think he puts too much weight on the additional benefits of a level 2 count over hi-lo for example. Just one example. Dosen't make him right or wrong. (sims do not answer this argument, btw) This type of thing is just opinion.
^^^
I also agree that we all make errors. I would go on a gut feel though that the number of error or misinformation et. al. is a lot higher by Flash than it is by you, or Shadroch, or QFIT, etc.
--
As for misinformation, like the High Limit room at MGM, well I can't say. I don't play there. As a rule I avoid high limit areas, as I believe the extra attention paid in those venues outweighs the reward, at least for me. You say the games have been the same for the last 5 years. That seems rather a difinative statement. Have you been there everyday for the last 5 years? Anyway so you have posted links to several threads that Flash was in error. Out of 2500. I mean I am sure there is way more than this, but it looks like you went back several years to find these. Seems kind of like a witch hunt to me.
^^^
With respect to the HL at MGM. Let's just say the next time you are in Vegas, if you could do all of us a favor and take a look. I'm not asking you to play, just stroll on through. Its perfectly walk in and out. First section. Games on left. Games on right. Second section. Bar / Food Area to the left. Games in a large room to the right. Then some hallways to the restrooms and other private rooms and then back to a more secluded entrance. If you could note, the type of games in the HL area, I would appreciate it.
As for my statement for the last 5 year; ok I will caveat. For the times that I have been to Vegas during each of the past 5 years whether it is once or multiple times a year, the HL room at the MGM have always had more games than just Baccarat. In fact, let's say via PM, I'll provide more evidence. There is a pit boss that used to work at MGM. He now works at the Wynn. If you or Shadroch or Aslan, etc. (I pick these names as posters that state that they freq. Vegas with regularity) spoke to this pit boss, I would wager a tidy sum of money that he would concur with my above statement.
As for Flash, its not a witch hunt. I spent 5 minutes. I could have gone back further. Here let's see:
math and he goes quiet - where is the apology?
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=186164#post186164
London - and he doesn't apologize nor state that the information that he provided is not relevant to the OP
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=18594
wrong on other games - still no apology
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=188196#post18
--
One thing I will say about Flash is that he is one of the few members I seen here that readily admits when he is wrong and apoligizes. And while he may make some errors and occasionally post some misinformation, his overall intent seems honorable to me. He is not setting out to provide misinformation and mislead players in a way that could prove harmful, as a recent poster claiming to have make a quarter million in 10 months play of straight counting did. Someone like that should be called out. Just my opinion.
^^^
See the previous links for mis-information and no apologies.
Let's look at facts - ( what is posted)
vs. intent - (oh maybe I really meant this.)
Stylistically, Flash types in a font which for the rest of the Internet means that the poster REALLY MEANS it (type in all caps, different colour, larger font)
And then his statements tend to be all or nothing...
""because Pit Bosses always suspect 3rd base players of being CARD COUNTERS." - from FLASH
really? And all card counters ALWAYS wear baseball caps and are white college looking guys...
And they can be mis-leading
"Originally Posted by FLASH1296
In Las Vegas at high-end stores, like The Wynn for instance, Double Deck Games are dealt face up.
Flash: sometimes your posts are a bit misleading as information is left out or statements are completely right (e.g. $5 vs $10 dollar tables in AC).
Many other MGM places that are not high-end stores deal DD face up e.g. Treasure Island, etc.
...just saying..."
So as I stated in the beginning:
FLASH will compose posts to the forum that contain errors at a higher rate than other posters and that there is no denying the falsehoods contained in some of these posts.
--
Other thing that Flash once admitted, that I find humorous, is that he occasionally posts at the end of the day while enjoying a cocktail. Based on some of the posts on this site, I suspect he is not alone in that area. Perhaps keyboards should come with a breathalizer attached to prevent such.
^^^
Perhaps its better to not drunk call, drunk text, drunk post. Or maybe leave the facts out of it and go post on Zen Zone
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I believe so, but I'm not that type of roller.
All I have is the Internet vs. hmmm...guess I could ask that pit boss previously referenced next time I am in town
http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2004/7/19/135245/451/hotels/The_Mansion_at_MGM_Grand
Steve of course has his own version now
http://thestrippodcast.blogspot.com/2009/06/inside-wynns-sky-casino.html
All I have is the Internet vs. hmmm...guess I could ask that pit boss previously referenced next time I am in town
http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2004/7/19/135245/451/hotels/The_Mansion_at_MGM_Grand
Steve of course has his own version now
http://thestrippodcast.blogspot.com/2009/06/inside-wynns-sky-casino.html
Shadroch,
A large casino like area is listed here specifically as:
"MGM Grand
Name of room: The Mansion"
http://www.vegaschatter.com/story/2...as-travel/Where_to_Go_Whale_Watching_in_Vegas
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As for an even more exclusive area, its possible to find out from that pit boss source.
A large casino like area is listed here specifically as:
"MGM Grand
Name of room: The Mansion"
http://www.vegaschatter.com/story/2...as-travel/Where_to_Go_Whale_Watching_in_Vegas
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As for an even more exclusive area, its possible to find out from that pit boss source.
It is forbidden by the Gaming Commission to have any PRIVATE gaming.
A few years ago - the commission reneged and allowed the top strip casinos to invest heavily in establishing “salon privee” type private gaming rooms with strict requirements as to big minimum bets and huge credit lines.
It was an appallingly abject failure. Whales eschewed them en masse.
A few years ago - the commission reneged and allowed the top strip casinos to invest heavily in establishing “salon privee” type private gaming rooms with strict requirements as to big minimum bets and huge credit lines.
It was an appallingly abject failure. Whales eschewed them en masse.
If I seemed a bit judgmental earlier, I don't mean to be. I appreciate the fact that you share your observations. It is far better to have everyone sharing what they see than to have little or no exchange at all, even if that leads to occasional mistaken observations. I am guilty all the time. I think I have early onset Alzheimer's sometimes, because I can't remember the details of a game I played in just last week. By the same token, I appreciate the zeal of members for scrutinizing posts for truth and accuracy, without which the board would be next to useless. As long as this is not done in a prosecutorial manner, I see nothing wrong with pointing out mistakes, and I encourage it for the sake of the board. Just my two cents worth.
What am I being asked ? The Mansion is not a mansion. It is a HUGE Hoigh Limit Room containing ONLY Baccarat Tables. There is NO High Limit Room with Blackjack, etc. at the MGM Grand.
Go see for yourself.
Actually I am almost certain that to accommodate celebrity whales, (like Tiger Woods and his hookers, et al), they will find a corner to open a BJ game.
Go see for yourself.
Actually I am almost certain that to accommodate celebrity whales, (like Tiger Woods and his hookers, et al), they will find a corner to open a BJ game.