AC -- looking to play breakeven for comps -- thoughts?

#21
Hand shuffle and the casinos are definitely defeating themselves with these cuts, unfortunately, most games outside of HR rooms are ASM so they turn over a new shoe pretty quickly.
 

MJGolf

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#22
Penetration seems to have worsened during this time for sure. We have a local place here that has a DD game. H17. But pen is HORRIBLE now. They said that someone had beat them for too much money awhile ago and management had changed the rule to 50% pen only. But in addition to that, they also cut 4 cards off the top of deck each deal. I told them, "don't they get tired of shuffling?". Hand shuffled game. The dealers said yes. But they said "management" had implemented the stupid rule and wouldn't change it for now. Penny wise........pound or dollar foolish.
 

DSchles

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#23
MJGolf said:
Penetration seems to have worsened during this time for sure. We have a local place here that has a DD game. H17. But pen is HORRIBLE now. They said that someone had beat them for too much money awhile ago and management had changed the rule to 50% pen only. But in addition to that, they also cut 4 cards off the top of deck each deal. I told them, "don't they get tired of shuffling?". Hand shuffled game. The dealers said yes. But they said "management" had implemented the stupid rule and wouldn't change it for now. Penny wise........pound or dollar foolish.
Always keep in mind that casino management stupidity is unbounded; there is an infinite supply of it.

Don
 

paymypush

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#24
MJGolf said:
Quick question..........is AC really so easy to find S17 games at that lower bet level? They aren't mostly H17 like Vegas has become?
Right now (4:30 PM on a Friday) there are 4 S17 tables at $15 minimums at Resorts. I've seen them numerous times at $10 mornings and early afternoons, even on weekends.

Hard Rock has the same game at $25 minimums.
 

paymypush

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#25
Southbound said:
The Ocean has a cluster of about 5 tables outside of the HR room that are S17. They are usually $25, but maybe sometimes lower. Borgata has more of them at $25 during the week but they are usually $50+ when busy on a weekend.

Since I’ve been a rated gambler for 30 years in AC, I have this history to offset their suspicions of me. I think I stated earlier in this thread that I’ve just started to become an AP earlier this year. Once they identify me as an AP, and the counter measures are too harrassing, I figure I’ll be in the Borgata poker room as well. The poker room is still closed, as of a couple weeks ago.
Those tables are 6 deck just like the high limit room. Add surrender and about a one deck cutoff and you have a decent game. It's pouring rain here on the Boardwalk but I was able to make it to Ocean without getting too drenched. There are 3 of those tables open now at $25 minimums.

It's odd that the H17 8 deck games have closer to 1 1/2 decks cut off in many cases. As usual there are players betting stacks of green at these sub par tables while the ones with the good rules are ignored. Some things will never change.
 

paymypush

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#27
I agree. My base bet is $25 and I have spread to $500 at times with no problem. I'm not suggesting that for others, just relaying my own experience. Now, with tables reduced to 4 spots, you can spread to 2 spots anytime if you don't sit at either end. I did see someone playing 3 spots and was surprised it was allowed due to the awkwardness of him reaching around the barrier.

Unlike the Borg and Hard Rock, Oceans does not have the dreaded sign restricting the bets of unrated players.
 

paymypush

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#29
I incorporate a 1-16 spread on shoe games and will go higher if conditions are right. The last time the opportunity arose at this casino was over the July 4th weekend when they had just reopened. It's done very sparingly and the count is not the only factor. I have had max bets out and have used basic strategy deviations with no problems so far. For some reason a $400 bet doesn't seem to attract as much attention as $500.

If they want to half shoe me or shuffle up like they do at the Borg, I really don't care. I am strictly a recreational player these days but this game is too good to not play.
 
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