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mikeS

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a fun and purely theoretical thread: if you could add any rule to a BJ game to give the player an edge what would it be?

Don't say something ridiculous like every losing hand is a push, or all winning hands pay 3:2.

I would personally want the option to "triple down" instead of double down.
 
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creeping panther

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mikeS said:
a fun and purely theoretical thread: if you could add any rule to a BJ game to give the player an edge what would it be?

Don't say something ridiculous like every losing hand is a push, or all winning hands pay 3:2.

I would personally want the option to "triple down" instead of double down.
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Draw to splt aces.

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itrack

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How about a rule that allows you to split any two cards, to a maximum of 4 hands or something....im guessing that would have some pretty good EV.
 
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neversplit5s

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mikeS said:
Oh yeah, I would love to have 5 card charlie. A low count would never look so good.
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I once mentioned something along those lines somewhere else - a 5-card Charlie would dilute the effectiveness of traditional counting systems (although the most beneficial cards for Charlies are the "low-low" ones such as 2s and 3s along with the Aces, while the "high-low" ones such as 5s and 6s are still weak for the player and strong for the dealer).

Interestingly, the added house edge for a 5-card Charlie is just a few hundredths of a percent more than what is taken away with a 6:5 BJ payout (according to what the Wizard of Odds at the link three posts up says). I thought a good game that is still beatable but more challenging for those used to typical counting methods (and is still good for non-counters) would be a game with otherwise typical rules, but a 6:5 BJ payout and a 5-card Charlie rule instead. (Imagine that, a good 6:5 game!)
 
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pit15

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mikeS said:
a fun and purely theoretical thread: if you could add any rule to a BJ game to give the player an edge what would it be?

Don't say something ridiculous like every losing hand is a push, or all winning hands pay 3:2.

I would personally want the option to "triple down" instead of double down.
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I would want the option to unlimited down. (since we're talking about an unrealistic situation we might as well go all the way with it)

And btw, mohegan sun did the triple down promo
 
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Mewtwo

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I'd like to see the Casino Island Blackjack (from Pogo's free games) ruleset.

To make it reasonable:

Player blackjack beats dealer blackjack.

If no blackjacks, the next-highest ranking hand is a player 5-card charlie of any sort. (On the Casino Island BJ game, it pays 3:2 but we know that wouldn't happen.)

A caveat - if the dealer gets a 5-card charlie, they beat any remaining hands, including player 21s.

So the order of ranks would be player BJ > dealer BJ > player 5-card charlie > dealer 5-card charlie > rank all other hands normally.

You can't double after split, but can draw to split aces and re-split aces up to 4 hands.



Also from the same game, you should be able to earn the ability to have a bust negation - much as Casino On-Bar did in cheating in the dealer's favor by letting it second-deal to itself in certain situations. Basically, once you've earned this, the very next situation you would bust, the card that busted you is taken off of your hand and you are back at your previous total. If you double down and bust while having this bust negation, the doubling of your bet still remains (e.g. you double 12v6 and catch a 10, you're back at 12 and can play with that doubled bet. You cannot redouble.)
 
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bigplayer

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mikeS said:
a fun and purely theoretical thread: if you could add any rule to a BJ game to give the player an edge what would it be?

Don't say something ridiculous like every losing hand is a push, or all winning hands pay 3:2.

I would personally want the option to "triple down" instead of double down.
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Tough to beat the old standby of blackjack pays 2:1. (+2.3%) How about Suited Blackjacks pay 3:1 (+1.72%), Early Surrender (+0.7%).
 
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aslan

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I would like the ability to double down on any grouping of cards, so for instance, if you have a three-card eleven, you could still double down.
 
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aslan

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Sucker said:
My preferred rule: The house is not allowed to use a "cut" card - the players cut the cards by hand.
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But they would still use a similar card to mark the spot where the last round will be played, so what do you gain?:confused:

PS -- I get your drift now, after reading Pit15 and you below.
 
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Renzey

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mikeS said:
a fun and purely theoretical thread: if you could add any rule to a BJ game to give the player an edge what would it be? I would personally want the option to "triple down" instead of double down.
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In order for the casino to like any new rule, it would have to offer the house an edge of some kind. Along those lines, I like the idea of a "soft triple down", whereby you can triple down on any soft hand. This would be about a 0.24% gain to a player who uses proper basic strategy for that option -- but -- like with soft doubles, most ploppies will triple down on the wrong hands and eschew the right ones, possibly creating an overall net gain for the house.
 
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QFIT

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The casinos must make money. So, a “good” rule is one that does not give the casino an advantage over average players, but does give an advantage to APs. So, an AP would want 8 deck, H17 -- but dealt to the last card.
 
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Sucker

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pit15 said:
I would like to be able to cut a precise # of cards of my choosing in a single deck game.
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But that's not a RULE. That's a SKILL, and the Griffin book is loaded with names and pictures of people who used to do exactly THAT. That's also the reason why the casinos no longer allow cutting by hand, but use a cut card. (How I miss the "drop" :sad:).

Since the cut card came in, I don't know of ANYONE who can do it with 100% accuracy.
 
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21forme

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Renzey said:
In order for the casino to like any new rule, it would have to offer the house an edge of some kind. Along those lines, I like the idea of a "soft triple down", whereby you can triple down on any soft hand. This would be about a 0.24% gain to a player who uses proper basic strategy for that option -- but -- like with soft doubles, most ploppies will triple down on the wrong hands and eschew the right ones, possibly creating an overall net gain for the house.
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Which is why I wonder why more casinos don't offer LS. I've never seen anyone but an AP use it correctly.
 
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