Almost got in a fight

[alwayssplitaces]

Playing poker last night, I almost got in a fight with a degen.

I had 6-7 of clubs and called a $20 preflop raise by the villain sitting on a large stack. The flop was 5c-8c-Kd. The villain has pocket kings and flopped a set, and I have a straight flush draw. The betting escalates and he goes all in for about $350, I have him covered and I call. The turn was a deuce and the river was the 9 of hearts giving me a straight. The villain yells at me for calling that raise with only a 6-7 and then calling his all in with "nothing". He calls me a few choice words and threatens to fight me in the parking lot. Security comes to remove him from the poker room and all is good.

I think I made the right moves, calling the raise with a suited connector because of the implied odds, and then calling an all in on the flop since I had so many outs.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I would have yelled at you for calling with the 7-6 too. Calling on the open-ended SF, that's a little rough, too easy to lose to a nut flush or straight. Smartest move was not responding to the challenge to fight and letting him be ejected.

Watch out if you see him again, he will surely remember this and want revenge, and you can play that to your advantage. :devil: Better alert security first though!

 

[Jack_Black]

most definitely. a straight/flush/sf draw is a beautiful thing. you did nothing wrong at all, everything was textbook and I would've played it exactly like that too. of course, the only difference being that I won't complete something by the river.:cry:

yea poker gets pretty intense. They only blame you and threaten you because they can. you see the same people getting way too pissed at the bj tables. but they can aim they're anger at the cards, other ploppies, dealers, the casino, anything that they can't really threaten.

 

[Thunder]

Was this 1/2 or 1/3 or 2/5 NL? I probably wouldn't have called preflop but after the flop, you did the right thing.

 

[markmcdonald]

If it's 2/5 and the guy is terrible, I don't mind flatting closing action in the blinds or in the CO or button. For those saying they're never flatting with that hand, stop being nits :laugh: , the stacks are still deep enough that playing the hand is profitable in the right circumstances.

 

[creeping panther]

Funny

Ain't gamblin fun:laugh:

As for the play, I cannot fault you.

As for the fight, as I always say, do it then and there, no parking lot. Glad I was not you.

CP

 

[BJgenius007]

Playing poker last night, I almost got in a fight with a degen.

I had 6-7 of clubs and called a $20 preflop raise by the villain sitting on a large stack. The flop was 5c-8c-Kd. The villain has pocket kings and flopped a set, and I have a straight flush draw. The betting escalates and he goes all in for about $350, I have him covered and I call. The turn was a deuce and the river was the 9 of hearts giving me a straight. The villain yells at me for calling that raise with only a 6-7 and then calling his all in with "nothing". He calls me a few choice words and threatens to fight me in the parking lot. Security comes to remove him from the poker room and all is good.

I think I made the right moves, calling the raise with a suited connector because of the implied odds, and then calling an all in on the flop since I had so many outs.

I almost got into a fight last night, too. There is a bully at the table. He wants everybody to play his way. Everybody complied except me. So he got very mad at me. He particularly doesn't like people to surrender. He said it hurts the table when someone surrender. Every time I surrendered, he said only girl or sissy surrender. He also said BJ is a team sports, you have to take a hit like a man to help the table. When my surrender helped the table, he said nothing. When my surrender hurt the table, he shouted at me and said it is all my fault. When I doubled my ten or eleven, he yelled, give him a two. I said nothing to him from the beginning to the end, but I really wanted to punch him on the parking lot. I would have called the pit boss, but the pit boss in the shift is a sharp one and he already suspects I am a counter. So I don't want him involved.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

Was this 1/2 or 1/3 or 2/5 NL? I probably wouldn't have called preflop but after the flop, you did the right thing.

It was a loose 1-2 NL game. I had over $400 in my stack. I called the $20 preflop raise because the raiser and another deepstack player were in the hand, and I had the implied odds. On the flop I was a favorite with 14 outs. Any 4, 9, club (except the king of clubs) would help me. I put him on AA, KK, or AK with the large preflop raise and the eventual all-in on the flop.

He just couldn't take a suckout, even though I was favored to suck out with an open ended straight flush draw. I wanted to leave soon after the big win since I didn't want to lose my big win if I had some bad luck. I was afraid he would be outside waiting for me so I stayed and played very tight for about an hour.

I hope I don't see him again, especially outside the poker room.

 

[BJgenius007]

It was a loose 1-2 NL game. I had over $400 in my stack. I called the $20 preflop raise because the raiser and another deepstack player were in the hand, and I had the implied odds. On the flop I was a favorite with 14 outs. Any 4, 9, club (except the king of clubs) would help me. I put him on AA, KK, or AK with the large preflop raise and the eventual all-in on the flop.

He just couldn't take a suckout, even though I was favored to suck out with an open ended straight flush draw. I wanted to leave soon after the big win since I didn't want to lose my big win if I had some bad luck. I was afraid he would be outside waiting for me so I stayed and played very tight for about an hour.

I hope I don't see him again, especially outside the poker room.

You need to buy a gun and carry it all the time (except going to the casino then leave it at the car.)

 

[Gamblor]

If there is a bad beat jackpot, is it worthwhile to call any raise with certain cards?

Also the villain needs to chillax, who the hell has never been on the bad end of a "bad" suckout.

 

[Machinist]

have i ever

Mentioned I hate poker:grin:.......
Yes just for that reason, very uncivil degens in those rooms..uugghh!
Nice to crack an idiot though, well done.

Machinist

 

[Jack_Black]

this is covered in "the book" and there are certain conditions that make it a good play. but imo it's not worthwhile.

basically no if you're a solo player. especially if you think playing some weird hand is going to get you the bad beat.

basically yes if you can lock down a table with all your AP buddies in a one table poker room.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

If there is a bad beat jackpot, is it worthwhile to call any raise with certain cards?

Sure, if the "Big Brother" is big enough, and you have one or more partner in the game to deal everything out when there is a possibility. If I was going to chase a jackpot I wouldn't do it alone. Now the question becomes- what is the optimum number of teammates to have at each table to maximize the chance of hitting it? That's an interesting question, and it will depend on the stakes and what kind of villains you will be dealing with if you do not fill up a table.

 

[Sucker]

Casinos tend to attract the scum of the Earth. Poker rooms attract the scum of the scum!

 

[alwayssplitaces]

Sure, if the "Big Brother" is big enough, and you have one or more partner in the game to deal everything out when there is a possibility. If I was going to chase a jackpot I wouldn't do it alone. Now the question becomes- what is the optimum number of teammates to have at each table to maximize the chance of hitting it? That's an interesting question, and it will depend on the stakes and what kind of villains you will be dealing with if you do not fill up a table.

Ideally you'd need to fill up the table. Shouldn't be hard to get a private table if you walk in as a group and ask for a private table. Everyone should only limp in with pocket pairs and suited connectors and check it down till the river. If someone has quads or a straight flush on the river, they should bet $20 and if another player has quads or a straight flush, they should call, otherwise fold.
There would be no cost since the pots would not get big enough to rake. And you'd have to trust everyone to not sabotage this.

 

[creeping panther]

Genius

I almost got into a fight last night, too. There is a bully at the table. He wants everybody to play his way. Everybody complied except me. So he got very mad at me. He particularly doesn't like people to surrender. He said it hurts the table when someone surrender. Every time I surrendered, he said only girl or sissy surrender. He also said BJ is a team sports, you have to take a hit like a man to help the table. When my surrender helped the table, he said nothing. When my surrender hurt the table, he shouted at me and said it is all my fault. When I doubled my ten or eleven, he yelled, give him a two. I said nothing to him from the beginning to the end, but I really wanted to punch him on the parking lot. I would have called the pit boss, but the pit boss in the shift is a sharp one and he already suspects I am a counter. So I don't want him involved.

Show respect for yourself and go toe to toe with the guy verbally, tit for tat, nose to nose.

Actually I got very excited reading your post, as I would have loved to have been on that table with the "mouth", my adrenalin is already pumping.....................................:gun:

CP

 

[Jack_Black]

Ideally you'd need to fill up the table. Shouldn't be hard to get a private table if you walk in as a group and ask for a private table. Everyone should only limp in with pocket pairs and suited connectors and check it down till the river. If someone has quads or a straight flush on the river, they should bet $20 and if another player has quads or a straight flush, they should call, otherwise fold.
There would be no cost since the pots would not get big enough to rake. And you'd have to trust everyone to not sabotage this.

There's a thing called player collusion and poker rooms hate it. you and your team will be 86ed by this obvious ploy fast.

Honestly, it's not worth it. It can take months before a bad beat can get hit. and are you talking about a bad beat with room share? I see those rarely. so let's say the typical jackpot is only table share. So you would have a few teammates at each table to cover it everyday for 24/7 until it hits. let's say that this strategy will most likely yield winning the table share. If you win the jackpot, hey, that's nice, but it prolly ain't gonna happen. So a typical table share that I've seen is usually 20% divided among who else is left at that table. assuming that your team is only gonna play when the bad beat is huge(btw, every donk, fish, along with their ploppy grandmas are gonna be there too.) so that will be 20% divided among a full ring of say 8 people, subtracting the winner and bad beat winner. Oh yea, I forgot to mention that a poker room that normally has 5 tables going during "normal" business hours, can go to full capacity when the bad beat gets huge. The huge $800,000 jackpot in my town gets 20 tables going when it's that high. so you thinking you want 20 teammates to cover 20 tables? So one team member will most likely win the $20g table share and he will share that with his 19 teammates?

btw, did I mention that it's not worth it?

 

[Jack_Black]

and here's my almost got into a fight story.

All the NL I've played in my town has had a few close calls, and some **** talking, but not much more than that. However, there is a store that has $2-10 spread limit, and for some reason, that game has the worst degens. I wasn't there, but the dealer told me about this local crazy lady who just got 86ed for tossing her drink at a dealer cuz she didn't hit her flush by the river. But My story starts with me having AK in early position. pot was $25 and the flop was Q76. guy bets $5, I call, turn is K, I check and he checks, river is A. I bet $5 and he folds. he shows me QT, and I show him my AK out of courtesy. but then he calls me a ****ing idiot for calling $5 on the flop. I told him don't call me ****ing idiot and do you think $5 is supposed to make me fold? then he gets up and asks if I "want to go." Over $5??? the manager calmed him down, but he didn't get 86ed. I still see him there going on 30 hour playing binges.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Ideally you'd need to fill up the table. Shouldn't be hard to get a private table if you walk in as a group and ask for a private table. Everyone should only limp in with pocket pairs and suited connectors and check it down till the river. If someone has quads or a straight flush on the river, they should bet $20 and if another player has quads or a straight flush, they should call, otherwise fold.
There would be no cost since the pots would not get big enough to rake. And you'd have to trust everyone to not sabotage this.

I'm not sure. This is my reasoning: the biggest obstacle to getting the BB is that the cards don't show up, which they do very rarely, and getting your guys on multiple tables will increase the chance of the cards showing up proportional to the number of tables. And realistically, no casino is going to let a private party come in there and play for hours without giving up a rake, the BB might not apply to private tables, and if they figure out you are playing together they are going to split you up or not pay you your jackpot.

Another reason why splitting up with civilians at the table is that if you have cards you can chase a BB with, they're cards you want to be playing in a cash game anyway, right? And civilians will be playing those cards too. Clearly you would not want to chase BB in a no-limit game.

My instinct would be to: split up on as many (low) limit tables as possible, and modify play such that you are never raising before the flop, maximizing the number of people who see each flop and decide to chase quads or SF's. But maybe having more than one limper at each table will increase the likelihood of a player staying in with a weak hand and getting lucky. Tough problem.

 

[WABJ11]

I hate sore losers. I especially hate sore losers who think you only play AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK, and maybe AQs and fold everything else. And chastise anyone who dare play any other way. They're so dumb they don't realize they might as well play their cards face up.

Your play is not so good, but they don't call it gambling for nothing.

As for sore losers who try to fight you, or engage you the best thing to always do in these situations is ignore them and do not add gasoline to the fire. Too often I see some guy calling someone a name or trying to pick a fight, and the other guy responding and engaging. This will only escalate the situation and accomplish nothing. We are adults, if certain people at the table don't want to act like one, we don't have to degrade ourselves to their level.

And to all you sore losers out there: if you cant afford to lose, DONT PLAY!