I'm planning on putting in an hour or 110 hands a week in 3 different casinos (whichever comes first). Spreading 1-16 using Hi-Low with illustrious 18. Probably going to use players cards in all of them because I've received a lot of heat in the past when I refused to get one. I'm pretty much using basic camo nothing too fancy (increase bet on win, only decrease on loss etc...). No back counting or anything, only joining fresh shoes and wonging out when TC reaches -2. What do you guys think?
Am I going to get barred?
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creeping panther
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Skid
It will take awhile, maybe a long while,,but yes in time you will be finished,,,if you are any good.
CP
It will take awhile, maybe a long while,,but yes in time you will be finished,,,if you are any good.
CP
HockeXpert
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Barred? I doubt it. Considered undesirable and asked not to play bj, likely. If you've already experienced real heat, not just constant prodding and 20 questions when playing as a refusal, it will come sooner than later. Other factors in your longevity will be casino tolerance level, your bet level and your act.Skidepper said:
Casinos despise winners and people with a brain. Convince them otherwise and it will buy you time.
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HockeXpert
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Time depends on the casinos' tolerance levels. You could be good for years. If they don't share info, fire away until you get or sense a bo. After that you can consider your options. In the meantime you will probably have gained the knowledge you need to answer your questions.Skidepper said:
Much depends on your goals and availability of other opportunities.
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Jack_Black
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These kinds of threads come up way too often. I'm sure at this point, the archives have been overwhelmed with the same typical threads being posted over and over again, making it harder to find the useful threads. Perhaps the mods can make a sticky?
Look, APs are undesirable customers. We are like those annoying customers that buy expensive items and then return them before the 30 day return policy is over. Or the customer that comes in to use the coupons and nothing more. The ones that are never satisfied with their meal, demanding a comp or refusing to leave a tip. Thus, each business has their own tolerance level when it comes to these difficult customers. I know plenty of scum who buy TVs and such at walmart, and then return it within 30 days. They do this repeatedly. Try doing the same thing at fancy boutique store, you'll maybe be able to do it 3 times before they say to never come back. Same goes for a fancy restaurant that is used to overtly picky customers. But pull the same diva crap at a sports bar or a small establishment, and you won't be coming back.
Now look at your casino. how do they generally treat the customers? especially the winners. I have a place that is an AP playground, filled with so many vulnerabilities that it would make you think you had died and went to AP heaven. But I have yet to meet one AP in that place. The friends and acquaintances I have, all tell me the same thing about that place. they hate winners, AP or not. Perhaps they will go out of business because the place is almost always empty.
On the other extreme, I know of a fancy place with a huge hotel and gaming floor, and only a great BJ game with great pen. no HC, ST, or other opportunities, but still, great pen, great rules. This place is always packed 24-7. they don't sweat winners, and I'm pretty sure they could care less about counters. Why? they have so many customers visiting that the few APs that play with an edge could never wipe them out.
Now gauge for yourself what you think your particular casino would do.
Look, APs are undesirable customers. We are like those annoying customers that buy expensive items and then return them before the 30 day return policy is over. Or the customer that comes in to use the coupons and nothing more. The ones that are never satisfied with their meal, demanding a comp or refusing to leave a tip. Thus, each business has their own tolerance level when it comes to these difficult customers. I know plenty of scum who buy TVs and such at walmart, and then return it within 30 days. They do this repeatedly. Try doing the same thing at fancy boutique store, you'll maybe be able to do it 3 times before they say to never come back. Same goes for a fancy restaurant that is used to overtly picky customers. But pull the same diva crap at a sports bar or a small establishment, and you won't be coming back.
Now look at your casino. how do they generally treat the customers? especially the winners. I have a place that is an AP playground, filled with so many vulnerabilities that it would make you think you had died and went to AP heaven. But I have yet to meet one AP in that place. The friends and acquaintances I have, all tell me the same thing about that place. they hate winners, AP or not. Perhaps they will go out of business because the place is almost always empty.
On the other extreme, I know of a fancy place with a huge hotel and gaming floor, and only a great BJ game with great pen. no HC, ST, or other opportunities, but still, great pen, great rules. This place is always packed 24-7. they don't sweat winners, and I'm pretty sure they could care less about counters. Why? they have so many customers visiting that the few APs that play with an edge could never wipe them out.
Now gauge for yourself what you think your particular casino would do.
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BJgenius007
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Where is it? Heaven? There is no such a place on Earth.Jack_Black said:
Jack_Black
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Actually, there are plenty of places similar to the one I'm referring to. It is more of a business philosophy for a casino that you should be looking out for, instead of specific casinos. It is similar to the attitude of volume sellers. "we buy in volume and pass the saving onto you, our customer." or "Our prices are low because we make up for it in volume." Translated in the casino business, we give great pen and great rules, giving a better illusion of players winning at our casino. although ploppies are unaware the importance of pen and rules for winning a game, they are aware that they seem to win more at X casino that gives great pen, great rules, and great customer service, compared to Y casino that has crap pen, crap rules, and is suspicious or unhappy about anyone who wins in their casino.BJgenius007 said:
keep an eye out for X type of casino.
Jack_Black
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don't ever remember Sonny being a smart alec,Sonny said:
but.....I guess it would be possible....for the advanced advanced advanced advanced AP. the place I was referring to only has shoe games with ASMs. almost every dealer i've seen there sticks to SOP as if they're life depended on it. I'm sure it's because they love working there, since it's always so packed 24-7, they always get great tips, and wouldn't want to risk getting fired.I think I know which place you mean, but I wouldn't call the rules great. H17, right?Jack_Black said:
To my surprise, I discovered ploppies do notice the cut card, especially on DD games. One place I play used to cut very deep and now cuts 50%. Almost nobody plays the game any more, ploppies included. I'll play it head's up only.
moo321
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Under almost no circumstances should you be using this much cover. Only increasing after a win and only decreasing after a loss? You're probably overbetting because you leave big bet out, and I bet you're costing over 50% of your EV. And for 1 hour sessions? It's nearly impossible to get pegged in one hour, especially on a shoe game.Skidepper said:
I MIGHT lay down that much cover if I was playing purples. But I would use a bigger spread.
Back-counting in to the game would actually help your EV and cover.
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