An easy way to get comped rooms at Harrahs

[tensplitter]

Play $100 through a slot machine on a day that they multiply your reward credits until you lose the $100 (or win >$500). Then you'll get offers for free rooms in AC and Vegas all the time for a year. While staying at a Harrahs property play $20 through a slot machine every day in addition to your blackjack play, if any.

That's way better than paying even $50 a night to stay. And if you get lucky and end up with a sizable win, boost your bankroll with it.

 

[shadroch]

Play $100 through a slot machine on a day that they multiply your reward credits until you lose the $100 (or win >$500). Then you'll get offers for free rooms in AC and Vegas all the time for a year. While staying at a Harrahs property play $20 through a slot machine every day in addition to your blackjack play, if any.

That's way better than paying even $50 a night to stay. And if you get lucky and end up with a sizable win, boost your bankroll with it.

Once you begin getting free rooms, I would not recommend splaying only $20 a day thru slots. Either play so you earn 100 points( $500 played thru) or don't play at all. Your offers will be better if you have no recorded slot play than just earning a few points each trip. Save up your $20 and play more seriously every few trips.

 

[Mr. T]

Get Real, Guys.


This is from an article with Gary Loveman of Harrah's recently. Show how much Harrah's knows about you and how they rate you,

Quote:
I had spent exactly 8 hours and 34 minutes gambling. They had on my screen the games I played, the duration and the value I represented. They knew, for example, that I had sat down to play Pai Gow Poker at 12:39 p.m. and gotten up from the table one hour and six minutes later. I had bought in for $800 and cashed out for $1,300. That was among my better gambling sessions that trip.

They had tracked what I’d eaten, how much I’d spent and where I’d shopped. Based on my age, gender, zip code and gaming preferences, they had assigned me a theoretical value of $529, meaning that was how much they expected me to lose every time I came to a Harrah’s property.

“You’re a good player,” said Bowers. “You’ll be getting an attractive offer from us.” Then he smiled at me. “Please, keep playing.”

Which meant I was exactly the kind of sucker they were looking for.

 

[Machinist]

Once you begin getting free rooms, I would not recommend splaying only $20 a day thru slots. Either play so you earn 100 points( $500 played thru) or don't play at all. Your offers will be better if you have no recorded slot play than just earning a few points each trip. Save up your $20 and play more seriously every few trips.

Excellent point Shad on Harrahs properties!.... All casinos have different ways of tracking your play.... Best to do exacly what shad suggests at the Devils properties.
Part of being good AP is to find out how play is rated at particular casinos. The best way i have found is ASK... Now all wont tell you , but if you ask the proper questions to the proper people you will find your answers....Executive hosts, point blank to their face..on how much money has to be run in x amout of time is one of the best ways.... You can almost always write off the shmucks at the players club,,,usually they are totally useless idiots.


Machinist

 

[shadroch]

Get Real, Guys.


This is from an article with Gary Loveman of Harrah's recently. Show how much Harrah's knows about you and how they rate you,

At many casinos, especially Harrahs properties, there is a wall between the gambling side and the marketing side. At Harrahs,once you get on the mailing list for free rooms, the marketing department keeps sending out offers. It's a real weakness in their player rating.
If I get a free room and don't gamble at all or use any other comp, it's as if I was never there. But if I play $20 on a slot, it shows up as a visit. Stay five night and gamble heavily only one day- it appears you were only there once. Gamble small on five days and it shows up as just that.

 

[21forme]

Shad - Suppose you use comp points at a HET Buffet. Does that trigger a "day" if no gambling is done?

 

[Sonny]

"They knew, for example, that I had sat down to play Pai Gow Poker at 12:39 p.m. and gotten up from the table one hour and six minutes later. I had bought in for $800 and cashed out for $1,300."
-Gary Loveman

That's not what they knew, it's just what the pit boss wrote down. There's often a very big difference between what a pit boss sees and what actually happens.

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

Shad - Suppose you use comp points at a HET Buffet. Does that trigger a "day" if no gambling is done?

Yes it does. As will using your card only to get the players club discount, using your card to get free parking in Ac or simply inserting your card to check your balance.
If you play $1,000 at Harrahs and later that day play $20 at Ballys, you've made two trips and your average wagers are $510 per trip. Now you go to Rio for a comp dinner. thats three trips with an average of $335 per visit.
Lets say you are playing slots at Harrahs, and their gambling day goes 2AM- 2AM. You play heavily and at 1:59 Am have earned 2000 Reward Credits for the day. If you leave, you'll have a 2,000 point average trip. But stay another twenty minutes and earn another 25 points- you are screwed. Now you have a two day total of 2,025 points- your average is just over 1,000 per day.
Whats even worse is that not all Harrahs use the same 24 hour period as a gambling day.When it buys a new property, it keeps whatever the old mnagement used- so in Vegas, Harrahs, Rio, IP, Flaming and Caesars all have different "gambling days".

 

[Mr. T]

That's not what they knew, it's just what the pit boss wrote down. There's often a very big difference between what a pit boss sees and what actually happens.

-Sonny-

Heavens, Sonny we are in the computer age now.

If any thing this article shows they know just about everything they want to know about you. Why they want to know about what you eat and how much you paid for it is because if you are a buffet hog they will entice you to their property with free buffet coupons. Or if you frequent the expensive Italian restaurant they will sent you complimentary coupons for this.

With the RFID chips what the pit boss sees and punch into their computer data base may or may not figure in their computer alilogram. ( Pardom the spelling, no spellcheck in this board)

Others here have tried to game the points awarded on their card. Their computer recorded this but what matters to them is their computer alilogram of what your theoretical loss is. Whether you have been lucky or unlucky do not matter in their computer.

 

[shadroch]

Heavens, Sonny we are in the computer age now.

If any thing this article shows they know just about everything they want to know about you. Why they want to know about what you eat and how much you paid for it is because if you are a buffet hog they will entice you to their property with free buffet coupons. Or if you frequent the expensive Italian restaurant they will sent you complimentary coupons for this.

With the RFID chips what the pit boss sees and punch into their computer data base may or may not figure in their computer alilogram. ( Pardom the spelling, no spellcheck in this board)

Others here have tried to game the points awarded on their card. Their computer recorded this but what matters to them is their computer alilogram of what your theoretical loss is. Whether you have been lucky or unlucky do not matter in their computer.

I'm not aware of any RFID chips in any Harrahs casino, and even if there were, so what? RFID are almost as worthless as the late unlamented Mindplay.As you said- all they care about is their computer algorim, which is only as good as the information entered into it, and it is the player who decides what to enter.

 

[Mr. T]

I'm not aware of any RFID chips in any Harrahs casino, and even if there were, so what? RFID are almost as worthless as the late unlamented Mindplay.As you said- all they care about is their computer algorim, which is only as good as the information entered into it, and it is the player who decides what to enter.

You cannot tell the difference between the RFID chip and the non-RFID chip. I have examine very closely the RFID chip they are using here in Singapore and you can't tell the difference.

Nobody enters the information. The RFID chips track your play automaticaly but the pit boss can enter some info into the computer but I doubt this is necessary.

 

[shadroch]

You cannot tell the difference between the RFID chip and the non-RFID chip. I have examine very closely the RFID chip they are using here in Singapore and you can't tell the difference.

Nobody enters the information. The RFID chips track your play automaticaly but the pit boss can enter some info into the computer but I doubt this is necessary.

Believe whatever you want. I, and several others have tried to show you you are mistaken, but I'm not going to waste any more time on someone who's mind is already made up. I'll try to think nice thoughts about you next month as I enjoy my comped week in Vegas and don't give Harrahs one cent in play in return.

Here's a last and final tip- Take a chip home with you and stick it in your microwave. If its not an RFID chip, nothing will happen. If it is one, well, you'll know.

 

[flyingwind]

Free rooms at Harrah's?

So what does it take to get free rooms at Harrah's?

Should I bet $20 in slots for 10 days this month? 15 days? in a row? or every other day? Another algorithm?

 

[shadroch]

You don't want to bet small amounts frequently. You want to bet large amounts infrequently. As a new member, if you give them 200 points a day on two or three different occasions, you should be locked in for two or three free nights a month for life. You get 1 point for each $5 you cycle thru a slot machine.A thousand dollars filtered thru a slot machine sounds like a lot, but it's about an hour and a half on your typicl quarter reel machine that has a payback of around 90%.
I tell my friends to be prepared to lose $500 the first month. It's the best $500 you'll ever lose as you will get free rooms for life.

 

[flyingwind]

Don't you have to keep playing to keep your status? I think you need 4000 base reward points per year to have the silver card, and 11,000 base reward points per year to have the other higher level card.

So after cycling $1000 thru the slot machine hoping that you get 90% of it back... you only get 200 base reward points, but that's still 3800 from the silver card.

Is 200 points in one month enough?

 

[shadroch]

Don't worry about what it says in their brochures. Once you get into the marketing departments mailing list, you are good as gold.
Remember- Harrahs has six casinos in Vegas and about the same in AC. They have tens of thousands of rooms to fill each and every night.
All you need is a Harrahs Gold card which is their lowest level. Their Platinum and Diamond are not worth it.
Last year, I earned just over 500 points. This year I'm under 250 and doubt I'll hit the 500 mark. I've only hit them for about twenty free nites so far, as I'm not going to AC like I used to.

 

[Jack_Black]

so just to clarify. once you run $500 worth through the machine one time, you don't have to play anymore to keep your status? You take advantage of the free rooms once a month, and you never play slots again?

 

[tensplitter]

Pretty much. But I do have success keeping the free room offers coming by not stiffing them when I stay at a Harrahs property. Their AC games are playable if I wong aggressively so I can get credit for several hours of blackjack per visit. Then I stick $20 in a slot machine and play it through, or stick $20 in a roulette machine and bet $10 on red and $10 and black and keep playing it until the 0 comes up. At the beginning of the year when my tier score resets, I will play $100 through a slot machine until it's gone or until I win big, it's the best $100 spent because I can get free rooms that would usually go for $100 a night in AC.

 

[bigplayer]

Shad - Suppose you use comp points at a HET Buffet. Does that trigger a "day" if no gambling is done?

Yes it triggers a one day visit with $0 action so that dilutes your ADT (Average Daily Theoretical). The old gambit of stay and stiff without playing isn't as much true anymore. If you are in the hotel for 3 nights you now trigger a trip with $0 play. If you stay three nights you get three days...if you use points to cover your bill at checkout you get a four day trip for a three night stay. Staying in the hotel can destroy your perceived worth to the casino very quickly...but only for that market. You have a worth to Harrah's in each market and a separate corporate wide worth. You get offers from each region or market based on either or both of these ratings. In Vegas most offers require you to be in the hotel to redeem. You'd be better off to stay the minimum number of nights the offer requires and don't use any points at checkout. In locals markets you might be better off getting a cheap room off-site to maintain the level of your offers.

You will also create a trip by leaving your card in the machine while running off your freeplay. You want to avoid earning or using any points if you want to maintain a good ADT. Once you destroy your ADT with a lot of zero trips it takes a full year for those old trips to fall out of your play history.

 

[bigplayer]

Don't you have to keep playing to keep your status? I think you need 4000 base reward points per year to have the silver card, and 11,000 base reward points per year to have the other higher level card.

So after cycling $1000 thru the slot machine hoping that you get 90% of it back... you only get 200 base reward points, but that's still 3800 from the silver card.

Is 200 points in one month enough?

Your offers are not based on your tier (unless it's a special event for that level only). Your offers are based on your Average Daily Theoretical (Average Daily Worth). The higher your ADT the better your offers. This is true for most casino chains. The way Harrah's slices and dices your play to try and anticipate your future worth makes their system easy to abuse...especially for new or long dormant accounts. There is really no way to attempt to quantify the future worth of new customers without leaving yourself open to some abuse. This type of analysis works best if the person being analyzed doesn't know it's happening. Harrah's has made a point of telling the world that they are slicing and dicing the data.

If you are going to play big at Harrah's you will get the most bang for your buck on your very first trip. My rule of thumb was earn 4000 points (Diamond in a Day) or lose $10,000 on a new account in Vegas and Harrah's would back up the mail dump truck to my house and unload.

Even my non-gambling minded girlfriend was smart enough to trash her existing Winn Dixie frequent shopper card when the coupons began to dry up. Every time she gets a new card they think she's a new customer and she gets extra good coupons at checkout including buy $80 and get $20 in free groceries. :grin: