An easy way to get comped rooms at Harrahs

shadroch said:
Pits are not entirely stupid. Most bosses will be on to this in a matter of minutes and will not give anyone any comps.

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To make it worse, the PB tells them he's not giving them shite as their bets canceled each other out.
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Which is just dumb. These are the best kind of people for the casino to have at the tables. The casino takes on little to no risk and occasionally wins the money. Either way, the house edge has not changed. The casino should comp as usual based on their normal comp formula, crediting both players for their full bets. As others have pointed out, you can make offsetting bets, but there is still the same house edge to contend with. For example, the roulette strategy bigplayer mentioned is designed to make you look like you've got a lot of gamble in you and make you look like you are willing to play for big bucks (big swings) when really you are essentially paying about $25 per spin with fairly low variance to get a good rating. I can see where this could have a lot of value for deflecting heat from a high value play on another game, or for gaming the comp system, but it does nothing to cancel out the house edge.
 
Nynefingers said:
Which is just dumb. These are the best kind of people for the casino to have at the tables. The casino takes on little to no risk and occasionally wins the money. Either way, the house edge has not changed. The casino should comp as usual based on their normal comp formula, crediting both players for their full bets. As others have pointed out, you can make offsetting bets, but there is still the same house edge to contend with. For example, the roulette strategy bigplayer mentioned is designed to make you look like you've got a lot of gamble in you and make you look like you are willing to play for big bucks (big swings) when really you are essentially paying about $25 per spin with fairly low variance to get a good rating. I can see where this could have a lot of value for deflecting heat from a high value play on another game, or for gaming the comp system, but it does nothing to cancel out the house edge.
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You are losing $25 a spin. You really want to drop $25 a spin for an hour to get a good rating? I don't.
 
It would be worth to drop $25 a spin for half an hour to get comped a suite for a week. Assuming 40 spins an hour, that's only $500.
 
tensplitter said:
It would be worth to drop $25 a spin for half an hour to get comped a suite for a week. Assuming 40 spins an hour, that's only $500.
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IF the pit gave you a suite for that, you'd be out on your ass the next day when your play didn't warrant continuing the comp.
 
shadroch said:
You are losing $25 a spin. You really want to drop $25 a spin for an hour to get a good rating? I don't.
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I don't either, but if you're willing to do that, the pit will be willing to comp you a suite. No intelligent casino gives a rat's ass if two players come in betting in opposition. What if they both bet Pass and won, do you think that would make them any happier?

In the online bonus terms and conditions, you can see how congenitally stupid the people who run those casinos are when they warn that they will revoke the bonuses of anyone who does such things as betting on red and black at the same time. They should be offering double bonuses to anyone who would do that.
 
Automatic Monkey said:
I don't either, but if you're willing to do that, the pit will be willing to comp you a suite. No intelligent casino gives a rat's ass if two players come in betting in opposition. What if they both bet Pass and won, do you think that would make them any happier?

In the online bonus terms and conditions, you can see how congenitally stupid the people who run those casinos are when they warn that they will revoke the bonuses of anyone who does such things as betting on red and black at the same time. They should be offering double bonuses to anyone who would do that.
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The idea behind comp hustling is to get over on the casino. Dropping hundreds of dollars to get a suite you can purchase for less is not a very good hustle.
 
FLASH1296 said:
This brings to mind a very funny story.

A decade ago my buddy is at a newly opened Henderson casino.
He wants to get noticed so for camofl' he steps up to the craps table where 100-1 odds are being offered.

He bets $10 on every roll and backs it up with $1,000 of odds.

A glad-handing host approaches pretty soon and he is given a nice suite. The host says " … and whatever you need, let me know" He jokingly asks the host to send up two bottles of Kristal champagne. Amazed that the host does not see that he is kidding; it occurs to him that there is no way that a $10 player can receive $1,000 of champers — suggesting to him that, [pYES, you have already figured this out] — they are recording his action as his total action — including his multiple $1,000 ODDS BETS.
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High odds bets are good for creating flux with practically no house advantage. If you 've got a big bankroll you can win or lose 10K very quickly and many casinos will base comps and mail offers on your actual loss versus your theoretical loss. So if you win 10K lock it up and don't expect any comps. If you lose 10K ask for the moon and you will probably get a chunk of it.
 
shadroch said:
Get serious. If we had the BR to cover that roulette strategy, we wouldn't be sweating ways to get free rooms.
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Spread your play around the mid-level strip casinos and locals places known to send good mail (ask around, it's fairly common knowledge) and you'll get more mail free room offers than you can use in a lifetime.

Getting free rooms is not a problem and you should not "sweat" it. Even a low green chipper should have more room offers than he would ever need.
 
moo321 said:
What if your BP did this for a few trips? Who's gonna back off a 1K a hand roulette player? You could probably get away with BP play for years...
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1K/hand at Roulette would be comp overkill. The purpose of this isn't to generate comps or theo but to generate mail. You will want to look like a total $500 avg bettor but actually average maybe half that because of Comp City strategy. Use discreet offsetting bets to reduce variance to almost nothing...you could do this strategy with a few thousand dollars and maybe have an expected loss of a few hundred bucks...but generate huge amounts of mail over a long period of time with value in the thousands. If you can rathole along with your play and make it look like you've lost much more than you actually did (especially if there is other big action coming in and out of the game) your mail will be that much better...ESPECIALLY if you are a new player. Cut the vig in half, look for single zero games.
 
bigplayer said:
Getting free rooms is not a problem and you should not "sweat" it. Even a low green chipper should have more room offers than he would ever need.
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True dat! I could probably take comps and stiff places and stay in Vegas for three straight months for free.
 
Harrah's is famous for data mining their Total Rewards system extensively, there's more variables in determining your offers than just the ADT despite what the slot club boothlings will tell you.

The real secret to getting good offers from Harrah's is to be a female middle-aged slot player, that's their target demographic.
 
From what I read they say their best patron is the retired grandma. They love slots, have plenty of time and produce 50% of the casinos revenue. Even better than the high stakes players.
The young men have no money and the middle age men are too busy looking after their families and household.
 
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For better-or-worse, we tend to stay at Harrah's resorts, and part of that is the offers.

I would not consider my wife or I big gamblers, but I will spend a lot of time at the BJ tables (i.e., I've done 15 hour sessions; I've got good discipline when I'm down, but piss-poor when I'm up). I'm typically a table-minimum better, but have been known to bump it up if the PB is hanging around. (A big win or loss is $1K over 5 nights, fortunately, I'm somehow, as a BS player, up).

We visit 1-2 times per year; we frequently get offers from Harrahs that would allow us to stay anywhere from free to more depending on where (i.e., Bally's through Ceasers). Rightly or wrongly, we typically pick Paris; we actually like it better than Ceasers, and haven't got the deal we want at Bellagio's (we have stayed there, any hints for a good deal?)

It seems to me the biggest mistake people make is not picking up a players card, and giving an e-mail address to get the offers.
 
I just used a 4 day comp at the Flamingo. Only played there for 2 days of my stay. I played $100 through VP, blackjack ($25-$100 3:2 DD), $100 on the carnival game Texas Hold 'Em Bonus. and made one $100 sports bet. I was up $50 on blackjack and broke even on Texas Hold 'Em Bonus. I also stuck my players card in a slot machine someone else was playing. Hopefully that will increase my ADT and keep the comps coming. Total cost to me was only $150, which is less than what I would have paid for a non-comped hotel room. If my sports bet wins this Saturday, I'll go back to Vegas later this year and cash it in, for essentially another "free" trip there.
 
Guynoire said:
Harrah's is famous for data mining their Total Rewards system extensively, there's more variables in determining your offers than just the ADT despite what the slot club boothlings will tell you.

The real secret to getting good offers from Harrah's is to be a female middle-aged slot player, that's their target demographic.
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I tried, but I was unable to change into a female middle-aged slot player.

So how's this: Assuming it's a brand new financial year, and my ADT for the year is reset to 0. I decide to go play rated at the big boys table and I play at a $100 limit table, flat bet $100 for an hour, play 60 hands, and stop at the end of the hour. What's my theoretical ADT?
 
Your ADT does not reset, ever. Your points do, but your ADT is still an average of your last X number of trips.
An exception may be is if you don't give them any play for several years and then make one big day, but normally your past trips follow you even into the new year.
 
flyingwind said:
I tried, but I was unable to change into a female middle-aged slot player.

So how's this: Assuming it's a brand new financial year, and my ADT for the year is reset to 0. I decide to go play rated at the big boys table and I play at a $100 limit table, flat bet $100 for an hour, play 60 hands, and stop at the end of the hour. What's my theoretical ADT?
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No, you buy into a $100 table, bet table max while being rated, then bet $100 for several hours.
 
moo321 said:
No, you buy into a $100 table, bet table max while being rated, then bet $100 for several hours.
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Flat bet 100? Wouldn't it be better to at least spread from 100-400 and wong out? That would reduce the expected loss and increase your average bet
 
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