well i wasn't specifically talking about 8,8 v 10, i just used it as an example. 12 v 2 (6,6 v 2) could be another one.
i had just always pictured the I18 as hard, non-paired hands and it just dawned on me a few days ago that there's a few hands that could swing either way in the I18
and yes, i agree..8,8 IS a losing hand and it blows..especially if you split and get another 8... :flame: