Anyone wong out of double deck?

[ohbehave]

With DD only getting at best about 7 rounds with just one other player (bad pen here) do you wong out ever? What counts do you leave?

I find myself playing all but its hurting my win rate. It doesn't appear possible to leave the table at all minus counts or I would look like a jumping jack.

 

[bj bob]

With DD only getting at best about 7 rounds with just one other player (bad pen here) do you wong out ever? What counts do you leave?

I find myself playing all but its hurting my win rate. It doesn't appear possible to leave the table at all minus counts or I would look like a jumping jack.

You're talking about 60% pen here, so that's tough. The only thing to do is the occasional "phone call" any time the RC hits double digits, or (my favorite) is the "superstitious" first round sit out. Just tell the dealer you never play the first round of any new shuffle because you need to observe the "mojo" of the decks. In reality, you're just sitting out the rest of the deal if the count is -2 TC or more. If it's neutral or + then play the rest of the DD.

 

[ihate17]

You can do as the ploppies do

Watch enough other players, double deck or any game.

There will be the guy who after losing 3 hands in a row quits play, you can be that guy in a negative game. You might not want to over use this, but combined with cell calls and a bladder infection, you might get out of a nice percentage of shuffles that go bad early on.

ihate17

 

[ohbehave]

You're talking about 60% pen here, so that's tough.

60% would be generous.

The only thing to do is the occasional "phone call" any time the RC hits double digits,

I can do this. Double digit negative TC is rare enough that it doesn't cause the jumping jack syndrome. Usually means leaving with only 1 or 2 rounds left which looks kinda funny but I guess a phone call is not too suspicious or an urgent call of nature. I have done it but only a couple of times.

or (my favorite) is the "superstitious" first round sit out. Just tell the dealer you never play the first round of any new shuffle because you need to observe the "mojo" of the decks. In reality, you're just sitting out the rest of the deal if the count is -2 TC or more. If it's neutral or + then play the rest of the DD.

Nice, though only works where mid shoe entry is allowed. There are some stores around here that allow it.

 

[ohbehave]

Watch enough other players, double deck or any game.

There will be the guy who after losing 3 hands in a row quits play, you can be that guy in a negative game. You might not want to over use this, but combined with cell calls and a bladder infection, you might get out of a nice percentage of shuffles that go bad early on.

ihate17

This is something that I pay attention to and around here at least I don't see this happen at double deck. Not saying I can't use it but I find that I take breaks or change tables much more frequently than most ploppies. I try to play with no more than 2 other players so sometimes I'm hopping around quite frequently to play at less crowded tables, or the occassional wong out.

 

[Sonny]

DD games can be a bit tricky since the count is more volatile and they are usually watched more closely, but many types of Wonging can still be done to some degree or another. There is a post in the Green Chip archives by Jack O'Spades that mentions 20 different ways to Wong out of a game. It's worth a read. It will probably give you some ideas for other excuses to sit out too.

-Sonny-

 

[21forme]

Link?

Sonny,
Can you post a link to it? I can't find it with a search on the author. Thanks.

 

[ihate17]

Your act

This is something that I pay attention to and around here at least I don't see this happen at double deck. Not saying I can't use it but I find that I take breaks or change tables much more frequently than most ploppies. I try to play with no more than 2 other players so sometimes I'm hopping around quite frequently to play at less crowded tables, or the occassional wong out.

You can be the crybaby at the table after losing a couple on negative counts and then sit out. Dealers and pits have all seen these.

On those nice positive counts where you might have lost a hand or two and now want to really increase your bet (according to the count) or even spread to a second hand (a little dangerous in DD), you need to sell the steamer act.
I do not think you can sell the steamer act over and over again on high counts, so be prepared to move on.

Crybabies do get frustrated and tend to steam if they have remained at the table.

ihate17

 

[Sonny]

Sonny,
Can you post a link to it? I can't find it with a search on the author. Thanks.

I don't have a link (for once) but it was the June 1999 POM. The title was "20 Ways to Force a Neg. Count Shuffle at SD/DD"

-Sonny-

 

[21forme]

No link? You sure you're really Sonny? :laugh:

Here it is:
http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/archives/POM/index.cgi?read=9906

I searched a few of the archived sections, but not the POMs. That ancient bulletin board software on bj21.com is not very user-friendly!

 

[ohbehave]

You can be the crybaby at the table after losing a couple on negative counts and then sit out. Dealers and pits have all seen these.

On those nice positive counts where you might have lost a hand or two and now want to really increase your bet (according to the count) or even spread to a second hand (a little dangerous in DD), you need to sell the steamer act.
I do not think you can sell the steamer act over and over again on high counts, so be prepared to move on.

Crybabies do get frustrated and tend to steam if they have remained at the table.

ihate17

I think I'm lucky in this area. I never see heat anywhere, not just on my play but anyone's play. The most is a checks play usually just the first time a big bet is put out. And I'm very watchful for heat.

Of course now I'll be barred everywhere I play. But really there is just almost no heat in this town.

So I don't sweat the steamer act. Its really not necessary here. I got killed this morning one max bet after the other and narry a blink from anyone. But let me reiterate I am careful and if I think I'm crossing the line I will put on an act because I do play in my own backyard and want to keep playing here.

 

[bj bob]

60% would be generous.
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Generous? I just simply used your figures [ 7 rounds with 2 players= (7x 2.7x 2) + (7x 2.8) =57.4 cards= 59.7% pen.] to calculate a pretty specific number.

 

[ohbehave]

Generous? I just simply used your figures [ 7 rounds with 2 players= (7x 2.7x 2) + (7x 2.8) =57.4 cards= 59.7% pen.] to calculate a pretty specific number.

Ah... I use 2.6 and 2.7. It comes to about 53% that way. Most of the stores cut the deck right in half. A couple a little better.