Bally's Card/Game Manager system

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johndoe

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Very interesting. I could find only a few references of other trials:

(Dead link: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63055765.html) (Malaysia)
(Dead link: http://www.allbusiness.com/manufacturing/miscellaneous-mfg-coin-operated/5644478-1.html)
(BC, Canada but old link)

The system should be fairly simple to identify - for card tracking, the camera is embedded inside the shoe, which appears to be fixed to the table:

http://www.progressivegaming.net/pages/tableid.html (Archive copy)

The chips also require RFID tags, which are very costly; I would be very surprised to see this in red-green chips.

Digging into their press releases, they are getting very little adoption for table management, and it's really slots/casino communications that's their business. Their quarterly reports show a long history of huge losses, and their market cap is only $1M now. They may not be long for this world.
 
GAGE COUNTY

GAGE COUNTY

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bad news for counters??

So if this program tracks individual player betting patterns does that mean it can red flag a player if it looks like they're counting? Or is this just to maintain financial info for the casino and player?
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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GAGE COUNTY said:
So if this program tracks individual player betting patterns does that mean it can red flag a player if it looks like they're counting? Or is this just to maintain financial info for the casino and player?
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All three components when combined can ID a counter and his/her skill level. It also knocks out COMP-counting and other BJ AP tactics.

The simple way around it is to deploy an RFID ZAPPER on the chips, some of them, and then limit your play so they don't connect you to the neutralized chips. zg

ONE YEAR AGO -
Originally Posted by Mr. T
The latest RFID system can catch card counters automaticcaly as well as telling the casino your house advantage when playing BJ. http://www.progressivegaming.net/pages/tableid.html (Archive copy)
One way to trick the system is to use a powerful electro-magnet or microwave device, in your room, to neutralize some of the RFIDs and render them invisible to the system. Then you could use mostly neutralized chips during +counts. zg
Here's an RFID-ZAPPER made from a cheap camera -
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WEAPONS: The RFID zapper
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Radio frequency IDs (RFIDs), small electronic chips that share information when scanned, are rapidly becoming an essential part of global supply management. In order to correctly route and track items from inception to purchase, these chips are attached to packaging and increasingly the products themselves.
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The intentional disabling of these chips can cause supply chain disruption. The best method is to HERF (high energy radio frequency, usually microwaves) the chips using a small transmitter (read about high power home made microwave weapons for herfing). The German branch (privacy activists) of the global guerrilla innovation network has developed a simple solution (Archive copy) that converts a standard film camera into a short range RFID zapper.
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GAGE COUNTY

GAGE COUNTY

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Does this mean you could put a stack of chips in a microwave oven on high for a few seconds and that would work too?
 
ihate17

ihate17

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Another re-invention of Mindplay

Mindplay failed mainly because ploppies when given a choice refused to play on these tables and this will also fail for the same reason.

ihate17
 
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ccl

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these tables seem kind of like the ones used very commonly in louisiana, the tables dont track the cards out but will keep track of average bets and your betting pattern, easier for survelance to see and to keep an exact track of your average bet, i sat on 3rd base one time where i could see the screen on the table and watched my average bet jump around, towards the end of the game it was pretty close to what i had been playing most of the night

chris
 
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