Beating CSM?

[blackjack101]

I'm sure this is posted up somewhere already, but anyone know if there is any way of beating or at least getting an advantage against CSM?
I read somewhere on here that there was some guy a while ago (like 70's or something) who was able to beat it because he accidentally found out the algorithm to which the cards are "randomly" shuffled. This of course was back when they had just came out though. Any ideas on these new machines, like the infamous six 2 one?

 

[UK-21]

I'm sure this is posted up somewhere already, but anyone know if there is any way of beating or at least getting an advantage against CSM?
I read somewhere on here that there was some guy a while ago (like 70's or something) who was able to beat it because he accidentally found out the algorithm to which the cards are "randomly" shuffled. This of course was back when they had just came out though. Any ideas on these new machines, like the infamous six 2 one?

Trawl the board and look at past discussion threads on the subject. The short answer is that it is possible to eek out a small mathematical advantage for one or two hands at a time, after which the effect of the cards being reintroduced to the pool and having a possibility of re-emerging cancels this out. The consensus is don't waste time on it. . . . .

 

[mwmb]

I think it is possible to crack CSM, but you may need to ask the NSA if you can borrow their computing equipment and spend several years to collect the data needed.

 

[Elhombre]

I'm sure this is posted up somewhere already, but anyone know if there is any way of beating or at least getting an advantage against CSM?
I read somewhere on here that there was some guy a while ago (like 70's or something) who was able to beat it because he accidentally found out the algorithm to which the cards are "randomly" shuffled. This of course was back when they had just came out though. Any ideas on these new machines, like the infamous six 2 one?

There is a big difference between the machines before 10 years and
today.

It's One2six, try to get hand on such a machine.

I have the algorithm too and have an advantage of about 3%.
But I don't like an advantage of only 3% and the flux.
So I prefer to play handshuffled games with 8% advantage for me.

Eh.

 

[21gunsalute]

There is a big difference between the machines before 10 years and
today.

It's One2six, try to get hand on such a machine.

I have the algorithm too and have an advantage of about 3%.
But I don't like an advantage of only 3% and the flux.
So I prefer to play handshuffled games with 8% advantage for me.

Eh.

Surely you jest.

 

[aslan]

There is a big difference between the machines before 10 years and
today.

It's One2six, try to get hand on such a machine.

I have the algorithm too and have an advantage of about 3%.
But I don't like an advantage of only 3% and the flux.
So I prefer to play handshuffled games with 8% advantage for me.

Eh.

Single pass hand shuffled games?

 

[zengrifter]

It might be feasible to key Aces in modern CSMs. zg

 

[blackjack101]

Trawl the board and look at past discussion threads on the subject. The short answer is that it is possible to eek out a small mathematical advantage for one or two hands at a time, after which the effect of the cards being reintroduced to the pool and having a possibility of re-emerging cancels this out. The consensus is don't waste time on it. . . . .

hmmm...duly noted..

 

[beyondbj]

There is a big difference between the machines before 10 years and
today.

It's One2six, try to get hand on such a machine.

I have the algorithm too and have an advantage of about 3%.
But I don't like an advantage of only 3% and the flux.
So I prefer to play handshuffled games with 8% advantage for me.

Eh.

u will being blacklisted for 8% adv . but u wont and u can play anywhere for that 3% , i dont think csm can get 3% adv even u get the algorithm unless u got 20% accurate for ace tracking , is it possible ?

 

[Elhombre]

Single pass hand shuffled games?

No double , little stripping.

where do you find single pass ? Maybe a casino in the Himalaya ?

Eh.

 

[Elhombre]

u will being blacklisted for 8% adv . but u wont and u can play anywhere for that 3% , i dont think csm can get 3% adv even u get the algorithm unless u got 20% accurate for ace tracking , is it possible ?

beyond------ it's no scam,

since september 2009 I made about 1500 big bets and I am
in front of 72 units, a part depends of luck, usually I should have
made about 45 units as my stats show.
In the moment I am in a hole of 14 units.
The game doesn't make me much fun.

I play this game only in my home casino 3 miles away, the big bets are
not very big, for training purposes about 2 hours a day, 3-4 days the
week.
The rest of the time try wheelwatching.

2 days the week I have to go 1.5 hours by train to a casino with
handshuffled games.

If I would have much money I would handle the game against the CSM as an investor,
play 5-6 hours a day with 1/10 Kelly.
That should be a good investment.
In the moment I don't have much money, have real estate but not
to sell for the price I bought it, in theese days.
IMHO the time will come.

Eh.

P.S beyond it's nothing for you, no get quick rich scheme .

 

[moo321]

No double , little stripping.

where do you find single pass ? Maybe a casino in the Himalaya ?

Eh.

I know of a couple places that do. 1 is in a major casino destination.

 

[moo321]

I'm sure this is posted up somewhere already, but anyone know if there is any way of beating or at least getting an advantage against CSM?
I read somewhere on here that there was some guy a while ago (like 70's or something) who was able to beat it because he accidentally found out the algorithm to which the cards are "randomly" shuffled. This of course was back when they had just came out though. Any ideas on these new machines, like the infamous six 2 one?

ZG posted a link a few weeks ago where the guy talked about a potentially viable way of beating CSMs. Basically, it centered around assuming that cards fed in will not re-appear for a few rounds.

 

[aslan]

No double , little stripping.

where do you find single pass ? Maybe a casino in the Himalaya ?

Eh.

:laugh:

 

[zengrifter]

i dont think csm can get 3% adv even u get the algorithm unless u got 20% accurate for ace tracking , is it possible ?

I think it is, at least with some models, if you can reconcile 2-3 key cards. zg

 

[zengrifter]

ZG posted a link a few weeks ago where the guy talked about a potentially viable way of beating CSMs. Basically, it centered around assuming that cards fed in will not re-appear for a few rounds.

Both Clark Cant and Alienated have posted about exploitation of CSM latency, for counting,
but I think the Ace sequencing has more potential. zg