Best way to get comps?
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I used to gamble alot before I started AP, I mean like craps, BS blackjack and I would find myself betting way too much to get comps. So now I pay for my room ( usually split between 2-4 people anyway) and this way I don't have to throw my players card on the table. I figure if they don't know me it's more to my advantage. Maybe you have 1 casino you play a little more straight up to get comped, but what do you lose compared to what you get comped by doing that?
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At the risk of getting accused of promoting my blog in this forum (which is NOT directly the case), here's a link to an article I wrote in December on this very topic:
http://beatthecasinos.blogspot.com/2007/12/casino-mailing-lists.html (Archive copy)
It just saves me copying and pasting the same information into a reply here.
Hope you find the info helpful, feel free to get in touch (via the forums, pm, or email) if required.
http://beatthecasinos.blogspot.com/2007/12/casino-mailing-lists.html (Archive copy)
It just saves me copying and pasting the same information into a reply here.
Hope you find the info helpful, feel free to get in touch (via the forums, pm, or email) if required.
also, use an elevated bet for your first bet or two when you FIRST sit down to a table and the PB checks you into the system. or spread to 2 hands right away if you dont already. I've found PBs tend to record this higher first bet or two as your "Average" bet. within a few hands feel free to drop down to your regular 1 unit bet if the count warrants it. not only does this help with comps (since it ups your average bet that the casino gives you credit for) but it helps lower the spread that the PB thinks you are using...
the negative EV you get from a few hands of elevated bets in a negative situation (if you play off the top) should be lower than what you would receive as comps (or lower than what you would gain later on by being able to spread higher without heat).
the negative EV you get from a few hands of elevated bets in a negative situation (if you play off the top) should be lower than what you would receive as comps (or lower than what you would gain later on by being able to spread higher without heat).
If you play an average of ten dollars a hand,and play all hands,you are putting about $600 an hour at risk. If you take a break twice an hour and skip a few hands,you can bet $15 an hand and still risk the same amount. You've effectively added 50% more in comps,at least,while not gambling a nickle more.
Table comps are supposed to be based on the amount of your average bet times the amount of hands played. Then they take that total and the expected return from the game and come up with the theortical loss. You'll recieve a percentage of your theoritical loss back in comps.
Thats how its supposed to work.
In reality,the pitboss observes your first couple of bets,and writes down the average of them. Every so often he'll check to see if you are still betting the same. They credit you for an average amount of hands,each table getting the same amount.They also don't deduct for quick bathroom and smoke breaks,in most casinos. A few ,that have advanced technology,do.
To learn a great deal about how comps work,I highly recommend Comp City by Max Rubin.
Thats how its supposed to work.
In reality,the pitboss observes your first couple of bets,and writes down the average of them. Every so often he'll check to see if you are still betting the same. They credit you for an average amount of hands,each table getting the same amount.They also don't deduct for quick bathroom and smoke breaks,in most casinos. A few ,that have advanced technology,do.
To learn a great deal about how comps work,I highly recommend Comp City by Max Rubin.
Shadroch, I notice in your other posting you call yourself a Comp Chaser.
I would call myself a Comp Getter.
You seem to be a Disciple of Max Rubin. He might be some people's Hero before but technology will make him history very soon if not already.
Where I play the casino has install a small screen at the table for the Pit Boss. When you hand over your players card he will swipe it on his machine and your photo will appear on the screen. When you go to the restroom he will tap on your photo once. This will put you in the pause mode. If you want to stop playing he will tap your photo twice and you are clocked out.
In the high roller room the Pit Boss still evaulate you manually by inputing the numbers of times over the minimum tables points. Which as you can see could be very large 10, 100 or 1000 times.
I would call myself a Comp Getter.
You seem to be a Disciple of Max Rubin. He might be some people's Hero before but technology will make him history very soon if not already.
Where I play the casino has install a small screen at the table for the Pit Boss. When you hand over your players card he will swipe it on his machine and your photo will appear on the screen. When you go to the restroom he will tap on your photo once. This will put you in the pause mode. If you want to stop playing he will tap your photo twice and you are clocked out.
In the high roller room the Pit Boss still evaulate you manually by inputing the numbers of times over the minimum tables points. Which as you can see could be very large 10, 100 or 1000 times.
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You can call yourself anything you want.Queen of Comps is already taken,though
Why in the world would you allow a casino to have a photo id of you in the first place?
In our small,well knit community,it seems that every time a casino comes up with a better way to track table play,one of our members figures a way to exploit it.I think it took less than a day to figure out how to exploit the RFID chip.
It's not that I'm a disciple of Max Rubin,even though he has forgotten more than I'll ever learn. It's that his books and writings are the most accessable to the public and thus are a great place to start.
Why in the world would you allow a casino to have a photo id of you in the first place?
In our small,well knit community,it seems that every time a casino comes up with a better way to track table play,one of our members figures a way to exploit it.I think it took less than a day to figure out how to exploit the RFID chip.
It's not that I'm a disciple of Max Rubin,even though he has forgotten more than I'll ever learn. It's that his books and writings are the most accessable to the public and thus are a great place to start.
You can give them a passport too. The advantage of the passport is that it doesn't have your address on it. They will also have a much more difficult time getting information on you out of the Department of State than out of the state police.
"Hello, Condoleezza? This is your old buddy over in surveillance at Caesar's. Yeah I need a favor, we've got this guy over here..."
"Hello, Condoleezza? This is your old buddy over in surveillance at Caesar's. Yeah I need a favor, we've got this guy over here..."