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SB

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I am playing at the Borgata in Atlantic City, 6 deck game 75% Penetration,Double on Any,Double after Split,No Surrender.
I have a 6,000 Bankroll and am counting using High/Low. I am Wonging into 5.00 and 10.00 games and not sitting till true of Plus 2,and sitting out ALL Negative Counts.I am varying Basic strategy based on True Count,(or running count when decesion # is 0)I take Insurance at True of Plus 3.
I play 5 days a week 8 Hours a day.

Question?? What is the Optimal Bet Spread for 5.00 Tables? And 10.00 Tables given the above stated conditions.

I have been considering the following spreads:
True Count:
0 1 Unit
+1 2 Units
+2 4 Units
+3 7 Units
+4 8 Units
+5 10 or (2 of 7) Units
+6 12 or (2 of 8) Units

OR:
TC 0 / +1 table minimum or one unit
TC +2 or larger- 2 units
TC +3 or larger- 3 units
TC +4/+5- 4 units
TC +5 /+6- 5 units
TC +6 or more- two spots of 6 units

Which Table is better First or Second one?? Or does anuyone have a better "Bet Spread" suggestion??

My goal is to win an average of 125.00 Per day.
 
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Rob McGarvey

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If you figure each +1TC = .5% then at +2 you have a .5% edge. One half percent of BR = $30. At +3 you have 1% approx, = $60. At +4, 1.5% = $90. So, a simple rule would be TC-1 in green. I wouldn't bet more than $75 with that BR. Normally I just flat bet when I back count and track, but this is my final answer....grin

Rob
 
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learning to count

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Your bankroll is good enough for comp collecting and with a little luck you could win a little bit to take home to the misses. I agree with Rob M. on your spread. If you have no problem with a higher ROR then you could up your bet. I would stay within a 1-10 spread and then if you wanna risk more then go to 1 to 25. Somewhere in between will lower your ROR. Get a copy of bjrm and you can take the guess work out of bet spreads. It took time for me to realize that you need a minimum of ten grand for red in order to get over the vig and neg deviation so you can profit at the game. The game you described sucks but you can win if you put in the time wonging in and out. If you wanna play long at least wong out below -1.
 
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SB

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Thanks LTC, Yes Game Sucks,but is best around here in Jersey,all other casinos use 8 decks and cut off two unless 100.00 Minimum were they use 6 and cut off 1 1/2. I realize bankroll is small,partly cause I was amassing it while dealing at Trump Plaza and got tapped out in the middle of my shift three weeks ago and was let go due to "Staff Reduction"!!!Based solely on "Senority(They let 300 people go from Trump plaza,Taj and Marina) and not on "Job Performance" (THEY SUCKKKKK!!!!)So Im forced to make a living playing rather than Dealing!!!
 
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SB

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

Thanks!!! Oh By the way,the Games here SUCKKK Even more than you think, half the Pits have "No MID Shoe Entry",Once the first hand is dealt you can't "Wong" in, and if you are in and sit out one hand you are OUT till after the next shuffle!! Also they take the "Plug"(Cards left in the Shoe after the Cut card comes out) and cut it into Three parts and randomley Insert It into the cards in the Discard rack BEFORE Shuffling to make "Shuffle Tracking" next to Impossible!!!
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

The plug really does nothing unless you think the juice is in the plug. I've followed some decent A rich juice thru three shuffles before it got taken apart, and they plugged the 2 deck cut off into the other 6 in batches of three. It is tuff, you are right. I hate the battle and just play online for the most part now, where the money flows like milk and honey....smile
 
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gambler

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

Hallo SB,

I would like to know, if they teach every dealer about the existance of cardcounting , and if they tell you, how to detect a cc.?

Thanks
 
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wong out

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

SB:

Go back to work man. FWIW - I have been playing seriously for a while (over tne years) and have made some very nice hooch at the game and have a nice roll to boot. You dont have to listen to me but I am qualified to give unsolicited advice on this topic....

I wouldnt even consider the game that you are describing. I checked out John Auston's sim table and wonging into this game with a 1-10 red spread (wonging in at +1 and higher) gives you a ror of less than 2% (a little high but workable). The ev/100 hands is about $7.50/hr which I am sure is much less than what you made dealing. + playing offers no benefits, 401K, days off or anything else. If you increase your unit size to $10 then your ev basically doubles but your ror is going to go up to the 5-10% range. I havent worked out any exact numbers but I believe these to be in the ballpark.

If you want to play full time (its very tough) but need a much bigger roll and need a better game selection than AC junk. Just my 2 cents. BTW - I play part time; play the very best games and am quite aggressive, but then again I have a very nice day job that I can fall back on after getting backed off (again and again).

good luck

wong out
 
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SB

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

Thats just it. I would Rather DEAL than play...but I got laid off in the middle of my shift 3 weeks ago!!! The Borgata has just slowed business down in all the other houses soooooo much that there were wholesale layoffs in AC This September!! NO ONE is hiring so Im out of luck till Spring!!!!My option is to park Cars for 8.00 an hour, or PLAY Blackjack!! Cant move my family so Vegas and Conecticut are out for jobs as well as playing...Im afraid AC is the only game available to me!!
 
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SB

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

Nowadays they DONT teach any dealers Jack about Counting, or even Game Protection!!! I learned to deal in 1979 and did it for 6 years before moving on, now Im back into it and I am amazed at how BADDDDD these dealers are!!! Their Game Protection is NON existent, and they couldnt spot a counter if he sat at the table using his fingers and toes to keep count!! The same goes for the Floor people!! Half the floor people are "Dual Rate"(Dealers/floor people) and switch back and forth between dealing and flooring often. They are soooo clueless its ridiculous!!!
 
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wong out

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Re: Welcome to the Dark Side

SB:

Understand the situation. I wasnt trying to be negative; just realistic. BJ is a very tough grind; even more so with a small roll. That being said some very successful players started of with small rolls over bet; got luck and now play black with nice rolls. Of course countless others tap out in the process.

good luck

wong out
 
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