Beware of the internet...

winnawinna

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Not too long ago I was banned from a casino that I have been playing at for over 5 years. Well the night before I was banned, I mistakenly went online to this site from my hotel room. The very next day I got the tap. Could the casino personnel monitor what sites we brouse when using the free internet service? Was this just a coincidence?
 

shadroch

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#2
winnawinna said:
Not too long ago I was banned from a casino that I have been playing at for over 5 years. Well the night before I was banned, I mistakenly went online to this site from my hotel room. The very next day I got the tap. Could the casino personnel monitor what sites we brouse when using the free internet service? Was this just a coincidence?
Just be thankful they didn't turn your web search history over to your Mother.
 

johndoe

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#3
winnawinna said:
Not too long ago I was banned from a casino that I have been playing at for over 5 years. Well the night before I was banned, I mistakenly went online to this site from my hotel room. The very next day I got the tap. Could the casino personnel monitor what sites we brouse when using the free internet service? Was this just a coincidence?
It's trivial technically; it's really just a question if they're unscrupulous (and resourceful) enough to do this.
 

Gamblor

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#4
I've been on this site from on casino hotel room, no problems. But could be different from casino to casino. Not really sure of the legality of this either.
 

StandardDeviant

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#5
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me...

winnawinna said:
Not too long ago I was banned from a casino that I have been playing at for over 5 years. Well the night before I was banned, I mistakenly went online to this site from my hotel room. The very next day I got the tap. Could the casino personnel monitor what sites we brouse when using the free internet service? Was this just a coincidence?
My guess would be that there was some aspect of your play that caught their attention -- after all you have a 5-year history there. They've had plenty of time to watch you.
 

AC232323

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#6
johndoe said:
It's trivial technically; it's really just a question if they're unscrupulous (and resourceful) enough to do this.
Not sure if it really is trivial technically. Sure, it is trivial to monitor and see what sites are being visited, but depending on the setup it is probably NOT trivial to link traffic to a specific person/room.
 

Deathclutch

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#7
It's certainly possible to track what pages a person is checking out while using your internet, but I highly doubt a casino would ban someone just for checking out an advantage site. I'm sure even regular negative expectation gamblers look online for info on how to "beat" whatever game they may be playing.

Chances are that with five years of play, there was something bigger that tipped them off.
 
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Gamblor said:
I've been on this site from on casino hotel room, no problems. But could be different from casino to casino. Not really sure of the legality of this either.
It's illegal as hell. I don't think casino management would bother with this given the risk.
 

Jack_Black

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#9
I don't see why they would bother. it's more conspiracy paranoia than reality. first off, did you login via wifi or ethernet? if wifi, then they can't pinpoint it was xx person staying in room xx that logged in as winnawinna on bjinfo.com. but even if it was ethernet, why would they bother? most IT depts of any business are pretty separatist from all other depts. not to mention, lazy. I'm pretty handy with a pc, and I knew when the IT people were jerking me around with "oh, well your email is down, we'll get it working in a few days." They're like jerk car mechanics , except way nerdier and weirder.

Plus, if it was a big corporate store, they would have wifi, and wouldn't/couldn't track your visited pages. if it was a grinder joint that could only afford ethernet, then they can't afford a competent IT dept.
 

johndoe

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#10
Most (not all) large hotel wifi needs "activation", where you enter something like your room number and last name to log in. This locks your MAC address and/or NAT IP address with your identity, so they could, if so inclined, link all of your traffic to you.

I don't think they do this, but there's little stopping them technically.
 

Jack_Black

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#11
agreed, if the wifi requires room ID or other personal verification. But again, hotels know what phone calls you made, what adult movies you ordered, etc. The internet is just another communication medium that they know will be used for highly personal (read: porn sites) activities. they really wanna turn a blind eye to these things going on inside a room. not to mention the effort required to dig through thousands, hundreds of thousands, a million, etc, website access requests going through their network. perhaps buying a packet analyzer would help, but again the casino would have to put in the money and time to actively search through personal info and logins to do this. and for what gain? IT depts. care about protecting their intranet network of company PCs, servers, databases, etc. they could care less about users using the network for internet access only.
 

Wookets

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#12
I'm seeing some misinformation in this thread. Even if you connect via WiFi, hotels are still able to match a particular web-browsing session to a name/room because they ask you for this information after you connect to their wireless network, usually in a form that prompts you when your browser first opens. All web-traffic you generate in your room will go through the hotel's router, which then forwards your packets to their intended destination by looking inside the packet header for the destination IP address. If the hotel was motivated enough to obtain the IP address of the web server on which this forum operates, they could easily create a rule on the router that flags all incoming and outgoing traffic associated with it. This would pin a particular browsing session with this forum to a room/user. This all may sound complicated but in reality creating a router rule like this is effortless. The harder part would be integrating this information with the players card system.

So now, if you're using a players card, they would know that you frequent this site the instant they run your number.

I'm fairly certain that logging internet traffic on a network that you own is not illegal because they are responsible for any traffic on it - meaning if some idiot downloads copious amounts of copyrighted material or conducts other illegal activity, the hotel would be held liable for it. I've seen cases where people have been hauled off to jail because they forgot to secure their wireless internet at their house and someone on the street downloaded illegal content. Also, ISPs keep logs of your browsing constantly (and the gov't even encourages them to do so).

To avoid all of this nonsense, simply browse using a proxy server while you're in your hotel room. This will mask your web-browsing at the cost of a bit of speed. Here's a free one: http://anonymouse.org/.
 
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winnawinna

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#13
Wookets I agree with you. When you first log into their system via WiFi or ethernet, you are asked to accept the terms and conditions. I have never read all of them but I am sure there is a paragraph that states they have a right to view all of the pages you visited. Your comps ISN number can easily be tracked to your room. If they suspected anything about your play, I am sure looking into your web brousing history is a first and easy step to take.





Wookets said:
I'm seeing some misinformation in this thread. Even if you connect via WiFi, hotels are still able to match a particular web-browsing session to a name/room because they ask you for this information after you connect to their wireless network, usually in a form that prompts you when your browser first opens. All web-traffic you generate in your room will go through the hotel's router, which then forwards your packets to their intended destination by looking inside the packet header for the destination IP address. If the hotel was motivated enough to obtain the IP address of the web server on which this forum operates, they could easily create a rule on the router that flags all incoming and outgoing traffic associated with it. This would pin a particular browsing session with this forum to a room/user. This all may sound complicated but in reality creating a router rule like this is effortless. The harder part would be integrating this information with the players card system.

So now, if you're using a players card, they would know that you frequent this site the instant they run your number.

I'm fairly certain that logging internet traffic on a network that you own is not illegal because they are responsible for any traffic on it - meaning if some idiot downloads copious amounts of copyrighted material or conducts other illegal activity, the hotel would be held liable for it. I've seen cases where people have been hauled off to jail because they forgot to secure their wireless internet at their house and someone on the street downloaded illegal content. Also, ISPs keep logs of your browsing constantly (and the gov't even encourages them to do so).

To avoid all of this nonsense, simply browse using a proxy server while you're in your hotel room. This will mask your web-browsing at the cost of a bit of speed. Here's a free one: http://anonymouse.org/.
 

AC232323

Well-Known Member
#14
Wookets said:
I'm seeing some misinformation in this thread. Even if you connect via WiFi, hotels are still able to match a particular web-browsing session to a name/room because they ask you for this information after you connect to their wireless network, usually in a form that prompts you when your browser first opens.
Why would you truthfully fill out that form??
 

Wookets

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#15
AC232323 said:
Why would you truthfully fill out that form??
Because it is often linked to the credit card with which you purchased the room and/or internet access. If the last name provided on the form doesn't match the last name which booked the room then you don't get authenticated for access.
 
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