Blackjack required reading

[stophon]

Alright so I have been learning the hi/lo count. I have thoroughly enjoyed:

Blackbelt in Blackjack
Blackjack Attack

I am going on spring break soon though and wish to add some more to that list. I am planning on ordering & reading (in this order):

Professional Blackjack
Big book of Blackjack
Blackjack Bluebook II
Blackjack for Blood
Knock-out Blackjack

Is that well-prioritized? Did I overlook any obvious books that should have made the list? If not, what comes after these?

 

[callipygian]

If not, what comes after these?

WINNING MONEY! :laugh:

 

[stophon]

do knockout blackjack and blackjack for blood add anything to the list or is it just repitition

 

[Finn Dog]

Books

Burning The Tables In Las Vegas, 2nd Edition, Ian Andersen.

The Card Counter's Guide To Casino Surveillance, DV Cellini.

Make sure your Blackjack Attack is the 3rd Edition.

 

[21forme]

If you're learning HiLo, there's no need for Knockout Blackjack. It's a different counting system.

 

[FLASH1296]

Professional Blackjack -- Required Reading for a Hi-Lo Player
Big book of Blackjack -- Very Fine Very Enjoyable Reading
Blackjack Bluebook II -- To be avoided.
Blackjack for Blood --- A Level Two System. Difficult.
Knock-out Blackjack -- An alternative to Hi-Lo

 

[SD Padres]

Flash...why do you say Blackjack Bluebook II should be avoided?

 

[FLASH1296]

As a veteran pro player I reserve the right to express myself on this forum.

I dislike the book because most of the counts offered in the book are far too weak when there are better counts to learn that are easy enough to master.

The one count that is good, the Mentor Count, is similar to the ZEN count as far as the card's "tags" go, but I find the chapter on this count offering bad advice.

I find advice throughout the book that I disagree with.

As the author posts on this forum he gets a lot of support - and I refuse to be drawn into yet another flame war for being audacious enough to state my opinion..

 

[SD Padres]

As a veteran pro player I reserve the right to express myself on this forum.

I dislike the book because most of the counts offered in the book are far too weak when there are better counts to learn that are easy enough to master.

The one count that is good, the Mentor Count, is similar to the ZEN count as far as the card's "tags" go, but I find the chapter on this count offering bad advice.

I find advice throughout the book that I disagree with.

As the author posts on this forum he gets a lot of support - and I refuse to be drawn into yet another flame war for being audacious enough to state my opinion..

I was just curious as I have not read this material.

Thanks.

 

[non-self-weighter]

I'm a novice counter. I learned hi-lo from Sklansky Talks Blackjack (I'm an experienced poker player, so I started with this book). I would like to become better counter, and purchased a few more reputable books. As I understand, they are for beginners.

Knockout Blackjack
Professional Blackjack
Blackbelt in Blackjack
Blackjack Attack (going to set this aside for a couple months. I believe it's more for intermediate players.)

These books contain 3 different counts, hi-lo, red 7, and KO.

Would it be overwhelming for beginner to review these various counts? I believed there would be enough useful info unrelated to the counting to make these books worth reading for all serious players. I'm wondering if I should just read one book, and practice the counting strategy for several months before studying/considering a different level 1 count? In other words, should I just study Professional Blackjack (since I'm already pre-exposed to hi-lo) and set aside other books for several months? Or rather, should I read each book, try it out for a week or two, and decide after trying them all? I'm sure there is no "right" answer. Any opinions for beginner are welcome. I don't mean to try to hijack this thread.

Thanks,
nsw

 

[InPlay]

Professional Blackjack -- Required Reading for a Hi-Lo Player
Big book of Blackjack -- Very Fine Very Enjoyable Reading
Blackjack Bluebook II -- To be avoided.
Blackjack for Blood --- A Level Two System. Difficult.
Knock-out Blackjack -- An alternative to Hi-Lo

Please explain this to us. You endorse KO but say avoide other. You endorse Hi-Lo. What are we missing ? Looking at the Hi-Lo score compared to Kiss3. Don't know the score on KO COLOR. How could YOU put a blessing on one when they all LOOK the same! These scores were taken from,

http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm


KISS 3
-1 A
0/1 red or B 2
1 3
1 4
1
1
1 7
0
0
-1 10
.98 .56 .78
7 Diff


K-O
-1 A
1 2
1
1
1
1
1 7
0
0
-1 10
.98
.55
.78
7.5 Dif



Hi-Lo
-1 A
1 2
1 3
1
1
1
0 7
0 8
0 9
-1 10
.97
.51
.76
6 Diff

 

[stophon]

Professional Blackjack -- Required Reading for a Hi-Lo Player
Big book of Blackjack -- Very Fine Very Enjoyable Reading
Blackjack Bluebook II -- To be avoided.
Blackjack for Blood --- A Level Two System. Difficult.
Knock-out Blackjack -- An alternative to Hi-Lo

Well then if the latter three aren't good what other books would you suggest?

Is bj essays by malmuth a good read?

 

[tribute]

Flash...why do you say Blackjack Bluebook II should be avoided?

To say this book should be avoided is surprising. Renzey's material makes more sense than most books, and can do nothing but help the average and experienced player. I think it should be a must read in any player's library!

 

[InPlay]

Come out Flash whever you are and answer your reckless statement. I think you need to explain and justify with facts before you just babble reckless and slander someone who has creditability. Are you trying to steer people to other books ? Maybe you get a commission from others ?

 

[Wolf]

Come out Flash whever you are and answer your reckless statement. I think you need to explain and justify with facts before you just babble reckless and slander someone who has creditability. Are you trying to steer people to other books ? Maybe you get a commission from others ?

Dude...why even go there? he said it was his opinion and he didnt want to get in a pissing match about so why not leave it at that? Flash helps out alot of people it seems and he is an experienced player...so I would think he is entitled to having an opinion if he wants...just like you can have your own

 

[InPlay]

Dude...why even go there? he said it was his opinion and he didnt want to get in a pissing match about so why not leave it at that? Flash helps out alot of people it seems and he is an experienced player...so I would think he is entitled to having an opinion if he wants...just like you can have your own

When you make reckless statements and slander a man's work either you explain yourself or an apology is in order to Mr. Renzey.

Second of all nobody asked you. If you can explain it feel free to ramble on dude.

 

[Wolf]

When you make reckless statements and slander a man's work either you explain yourself or an apology is in order to Mr. Renzey.

Second of all nobody asked you. If you can explain it feel free to ramble on dude.

I dont think anybody asked you either Chief...and hate to tell you an opinion isnt slander. So maybe get a clue before you make statements?

 

[stophon]

Is inplay the author?

Sorry if that's a noob question

 

[SD Padres]

Is inplay the author?

Sorry if that's a noob question

No...Renzey is the author and very well respected by many in here. I have not read his material but heard only good things. However, I was surprised to see Flash discount his work.

Flash has had many great contributions to this board but...

he may have an elitist attitude in that if you don't use Zen then you are not really an AP.

I hope that is not the case.

 

[Wolf]

No...Renzey is the author and very well respected by many in here. I have not read his material but heard only good things. However, I was surprised to see Flash discount his work.

Flash has had many great contributions to this board but...

he may have an elitist attitude in that if you don't use Zen then you are not really an AP.

I hope that is not the case.

Actually I got the book and thought it was a very good read...tho I think I got a little bit more out of Blackbelt in Blackjack overall.