Card counting at blackjack: Las Vegas

JSTAT

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Playing in the heart of the Las Vegas strip, card counting can be successful. Double deck blackjack is our game of choice, and the strategy is to play mostly when we have the advantage. Be prepared to walk at least a mile, so wear tennis shoes. The casinos we will hit are Bellagio, Paris, Bally's, Harrah's, Venetian, Treasure Island, and Mirage. Consider yourself a letter carrier, delivering and collecting on the route. A profit will occur in the long run, if the method used below is executed perfectly.

The Ten Count (JSTATII) is used in the extraction of the money from these gambling halls. The tens are -2 and non tens (excluding aces) are +1, the aces are side counted. The aces can be side counted on a double deck with a chip or a foot. The chip rotates clockwise with each ace. 1:30 with the first ace, 3:00 2nd ace, 4:30 3rd ace, 6:00 4th ace, 7:30 5th ace, 9:00 6th ace, 10:30 7th ace, back to 12:00 8th ace. The right foot can also be used instead of the chips to track aces by using the foot count. It sounds confusing, but with practice it's a piece of cake!

The $25 minimums are expensive, but the odds can be changed to our favor with blackjacks paid at 3:2. Buy a basic strategy card at one of the casinos gift shops. Don't deviate from basic strategy. One cannot enter during mid-deck at some joints, but leaving when there are more aces and tens played is permitted. Choose a table with 3 or 4 players and place $25. An ace should appear every 13 cards or about every round. If no aces appear and the count is around even, stick with $25 for the second round. Same goes if one ace was played and the count is +3 or more and two aces with +4. Leave the table if the count and aces described are not met. In the third round, bet $50 with 1) no aces played and at least a -9 count, 2) one ace with at least a -4 count, 3) two aces with a +4 count. Again, leave the table if these conditions are not met. The table has used a little less than a deck with 4 players including yourself. In the fourth round, bet $50 with three aces played (or less) and +4 or better, leave when these conditions are absent.

Table hop (betting from table to table) while counting a couple times before moving on to the next casino. Using this card counting strategy, our money is wagered when more blackjacks than normal are present. The dealer will get the same amount of blackjacks, but we are paid time and a half, this is our edge. It sure beats the "red eye" flight home, crying from tapping out our ATM cards.

Article published at http://www.examiner.com/x-18051-San-Francisco-Blackjack-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Card-counting-at-blackjack-Las-Vegas
 

johndoe

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Seems like a weakened version of Hi-Opt 2, which is very popular and effective for DD games, especially with an ace side count.

I don't understand why 8's and 9's are counted, as the EOR for these cards is comparatively minuscule. And no indexes?

I'm also surprised at the choice of games (well, not really..), as these are not terribly good locations. Paris, Harrah's, and Bally's are all H17, making them worse than most strip shoe games. Venetian is S17 only at $200+ minimum.

The bet ramp seems pretty ineffective as well - if this is just a 1-2 spread it's barely above break-even. You can do much better.

This whole thing seems like pretty lousy advice to follow, for any newbies reading.
 
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johndoe said:
Seems like a weakened version of Hi-Opt 2, which is very popular and effective for DD games, especially with an ace side count.

I don't understand why 8's and 9's are counted, as the EOR for these cards is comparatively minuscule. And no indexes?

I'm also surprised at the choice of games (well, not really..), as these are not terribly good locations. Paris, Harrah's, and Bally's are all H17, making them worse than most strip shoe games. Venetian is S17 only at $200+ minimum.

The bet ramp seems pretty ineffective as well - if this is just a 1-2 spread it's barely above break-even. You can do much better.

This whole thing seems like pretty lousy advice to follow, for any newbies reading.
It's the Fry Count. A variation on the Insurance Count. You take your ace sidecount and add it to your RC to get exactly the Insurance Count, and if you subtract it, you get a reasonably good count for betting. The indices you get out of it are useful but not as good as the indices for the more common counts, simply because the 8's and 9's are counted as low and they usually don't behave that way.

Fry is a perfectly valid system to play BJ with if used properly, good for some sidebets and for slow-playing good local games. But I can't believe this article left out its usage for insurance. That's the best thing about it!

Hey JSTAT, do you think the guys at Berkeley would terribly mind if I gave you the index numbers and advantages to include in your next Examiner article or YouTube docudrama? If you are going to promote this count to the unskilled public why not do it right? You don't want to screw people by giving them something incomplete and misleading.
 

kewljason

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SystemsTrader said:
It's "deja vu" all over again!
Well not quite. So far he's only singing the praises of the Ten Count which for some reason he has now renamed jstat2. :confused: At least as of yet, there is no mention of "the hoax".

He certainly is persistent, but I have yet to figure out why. Unless I have missed something, I haven't seen him actually selling anything, either here or on his youtube docudramas. (as the funny monkey calls them) Seems like he just wants to take credit for the Ten Count, or excuse me, the Jstat2. :laugh:

Since he uses his real name and picture, it seems like a real smart move to document in detail his style of play, even down to the casino's he's playing.
This is one smart cookie!
 

JSTAT

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kewljason said:
Well not quite. So far he's only singing the praises of the Ten Count which for some reason he has now renamed jstat2. :confused: At least as of yet, there is no mention of "the hoax".

He certainly is persistent, but I have yet to figure out why. Unless I have missed something, I haven't seen him actually selling anything, either here or on his youtube docudramas. (as the funny monkey calls them) Seems like he just wants to take credit for the Ten Count, or excuse me, the Jstat2. :laugh:

Since he uses his real name and picture, it seems like a real smart move to document in detail his style of play, even down to the casino's he's playing.
This is one smart cookie!
Thank you for the kind words regarding the article kewljason. Tried to connect the dots and help players win in a few hundred words. Nothing to sell. Automatic Monkey is right about perfect insurance that can be applied to the Ten Cou.. errr JSTATII. :laugh: Testing out the phrase "it is better to give than to receive" is motivation behind this journey to make a difference.
 
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JSTAT

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johndoe said:
Seems like a weakened version of Hi-Opt 2, which is very popular and effective for DD games, especially with an ace side count.

I don't understand why 8's and 9's are counted, as the EOR for these cards is comparatively minuscule. And no indexes?

I'm also surprised at the choice of games (well, not really..), as these are not terribly good locations. Paris, Harrah's, and Bally's are all H17, making them worse than most strip shoe games. Venetian is S17 only at $200+ minimum.

The bet ramp seems pretty ineffective as well - if this is just a 1-2 spread it's barely above break-even. You can do much better.

This whole thing seems like pretty lousy advice to follow, for any newbies reading.
You say johndoe that the method described in the article is better than break-even, this we can agree upon.:eek: The purpose was to inform the readers to win in a few paragraphs. The side counting of aces, and determining higher rates of blackjacks with the Ten Count, was the goal of this CliffNotes version of this winning system. Basic strategy was suggested to not overload the reader with indexes. The 1-2 spread is profitable because we are not playing when the odds favors the house after the top of the deck. This article gives good advice to follow, for the newbies reading.
 
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