Card Counting Systems

[mrboxingfan]

Well My Card Counting System is a Complete Attention Magnet so I gave it up.

They couldnt figure what I was doing so the cheated and added extra stiff cards to the deck. I caught this a few times... Thats a California Indian Casino for you.

Indians... I tell people to stay away from those Casinos.

Anyway. My experiments in Wong HAlves is that some Systems are Too Accurate and they backfire against the player. Not good, Hi Lo Count is not Accurate enough for me. Forget Green Fountain and the real extreme counting versions.

Heres what I get... Stay away from Single Deck, I have had the most trouble from this game than any of them. Even the CSMs were better. Same with Double Deck. The only game I prefer is 6 and 8 deck. Much better chance of winning

Im trying the Ian andersen version of Hi Opt. Okay so far.

What I dont get is everyone says to bet up when the count is high ? All my time as a counter when the count is high the casino has a severe house advantage ? Im talking consistent 21s with Stiffs. Where we have the advantage is when the count changes from - to + suddenly and when the count goes + in a negative integer state. such as Count is -13 and all of a sudden it goes to -9 I have the advantage. Thats it. Maybe if the count goes above +15 I have an advantage.

Whats with the true count ? I use this and I do worse. Its better in my experience to to stay with the Running Count.

Any thoughts ?

 

[stopgambling]

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you should really read more and try to understand the basic of card counting first ,i m a noob ,and i m still learning ,but i sense some misunderstanding from you on card counting.

 

[Gramazeka]

Complete Attention Magnet this is very good system))-

(Dead link: http://www.magneticdentremovalsystem.com/)

 

[blackjack avenger]

errr a halves endorsement?

My experiments in Wong HAlves is that some Systems are Too Accurate

Just what I have been saying! Well, not exactly. Halves is a great count. If winning to much can always bet less!

You do seem to misunderstand a lot.

 

[tthree]

If you stop playing in locations that have been known to stack the deck for years you may find other results. I asked people about playing some great looking games on paper out there but was told the casinos stack the deck so paper and reality are far from the same. If you are playing a balanced system and don't know what the true count is no wonder you are losing. How can you make any index plays?

 

[mrboxingfan]

Heres what I am getting at I play a 6 deck game. I get a lets say -12 at 5 decks left per say. Divide by 5 and thats about a - 2.5 all of a sudden it jumps =6 to a 3.5 positive I bet up. I get creamed doint this. especially when The count keeps going up. I find it better after every hand to start back at zero and only bet when the count (regardless of where its at = or -) goes in a positve direction is to bet up at that moment. Thats when I win. When I am in the Positive count and the cout keep overlapping and going up the house creames me. ITs on the way up like +1 to +5 I have the advantage and way high like +15 and up anything in between I get slammed.

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If you stop playing in locations that have been known to stack the deck for years you may find other results. I asked people about playing some great looking games on paper out there but was told the casinos stack the deck so paper and reality are far from the same. If you are playing a balanced system and don't know what the true count is no wonder you are losing. How can you make any index plays?

 

[tthree]

Heres what I am getting at I play a 6 deck game. I get a lets say -12 at 5 decks left per say. Divide by 5 and thats about a - 2.5 all of a sudden it jumps =6 to a 3.5 positive I bet up. I get creamed doint this. especially when The count keeps going up. I find it better after every hand to start back at zero and only bet when the count (regardless of where its at = or -) goes in a positve direction is to bet up at that moment. Thats when I win. When I am in the Positive count and the cout keep overlapping and going up the house creames me. ITs on the way up like +1 to +5 I have the advantage and way high like +15 and up anything in between I get slammed.

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The count goes up when more small cards hit the table. On that round the house had an edge on average due to all the small cards. The next round you have an even larger edge than you did before all the low cards were dealt. If another round of low cards come out the dealer had an edge on that round but your advantage is even more than before that round was dealt. On rounds were the count fell (more high cards than low) that round was favorable to the player. Unfortunately this is only apparent after the round has been played. You have to bet before you see the cards. Just bet according to the count and stop trying to give away your edge by over thinking.

 

[mrboxingfan]

Green Fountain and TC

Calculating TC means even
Calculate at positive levels correct ?

a = divided by a - is still - right ?

So at lets say -16 and there are 4 decks left its -4 what about RC -3 and 5 decks left what is that ?

 

[mrboxingfan]

Green Fountain and TC

I like Green countain. do you TC calculate the same at all systems ?

 

[BJgenius007]

Calculating TC means even
Calculate at positive levels correct ?

a = divided by a - is still - right ?

So at lets say -16 and there are 4 decks left its -4 what about RC -3 and 5 decks left what is that ?

Some people round up. But most people just truncate the fraction part, positive or negative.

So RC -3 and 5 decks left means TC = 0.

 

[mrboxingfan]

Green Fountain and TC

I see so you just assume zero untie you can calculate a real TC numer like -2 from -6 or -5 when there are 3 decks left

 

[BJgenius007]

I see so you just assume zero untie you can calculate a real TC numer like -2 from -6 or -5 when there are 3 decks left

The most common TC is to truncate.

So RC=-6, TC = -6/3= -2

and RC=-5, TC= -5/3= -1

 

[tthree]

I use flooring (rounding down in all cases). I think it is the best and doesn't take any longer than truncating.

 

[bigplayer]

Calculating TC means even
Calculate at positive levels correct ?

a = divided by a - is still - right ?

So at lets say -16 and there are 4 decks left its -4 what about RC -3 and 5 decks left what is that ?

If you use very large betting units (Like betting the TC in purple chips) then you will want to figure your TC to a fractional value for proper bet sizing. if you are a typical player betting the TC in black or green then just flooring or truncating is fine. For playing the indexes were calculated using flooring or truncating so going to an exact fractional value is really meaningless....except for insurance for which the index number is usually an exact number...(i.e, for single deck a TC of 1.9 calls for taking insurance but a TC of 1.5 does not).

For what it's worth, RC of -3 with 5 decks to go is TC of -0.6 so if you round (to nearest next whole number) the TC is -1, floor (always round down) the TC is considered -1, if you truncate (chop off the fraction) the TC is considered 0.

 

[Unbalancing Act]

In Color

Here are a couple neat charts.

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount4.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration9.htm

 

[zengrifter]

Heres what I am getting at I play a 6 deck game. I get a lets say -12 at 5 decks left per say. Divide by 5 and thats about a - 2.5 all of a sudden it jumps =6 to a 3.5 positive I bet up. I get creamed doint this. especially when The count keeps going up. I find it better after every hand to start back at zero and only bet when the count (regardless of where its at = or -) goes in a positve direction is to bet up at that moment. Thats when I win.

Thanks for stopping by! zg

 

[tthree]

Hey guys. Im new to the forum but excellent at counting cards and applying basic strategy (bs) to it to get a good edge on the house. See alot of people think that counting cards will give you an edge on betting. this is absolutly true except for some variables. If you are head to head with a dealer (my favorite), then you have a betting edge. However if you play at a crowded table (4 or more) then the betting edge goes away. See when you get on the casino floor, and are looking for a bj game, choose wisely. The ideal table is a slow dealer with 3 or less players and has 3rd base (last spot ) is open. I will personally only play 3rd base, and there are a few reasons for it. #1. That is the last player before the dealer and you do influance what the dealer gets to a certain degree (believe it or not), (more to this in a bit). @3 reason I only play last is because it lets you see what cards are dealt to everyone else before you play, and lets you get a true count right before the dealer, and lastly and most important, I don't want someone that doesn't even know basic strategy messing up and taking the dealer's bust card for no reason. Ok so we are at a table playing 3rd base and say we are 3 decks into the shoe, and the true count is a -3 after everyone else before us is done with there hands and are waiting for us to play. Ok so lets say that we have been given an 11 on our first 2 cards and the dealer is showing a 7. Now bs tells us that we are to double, double double!. I say NO!, because now we have a count of -3, and we all know that means there are more small cards than big ones left in the shoe, and if we get a small one on a double down then we are stuck with it and the dealer could very well have a card equal to 10 or an ace. so in this case I say take the regular hit. I mean there is no reason to risk more to get one card and get a crappy 13 or something like that and lose to a 17 or a soft 18. when the cards are dealt at the first of a hand and you are keeping a count, keep a mental note of what the count was when the dealer dealt his "hole card", the reason for this is if the count was high then you can be assured he probably has a big card facing down, and conversely if it is a negative or small count then its probably a small card and play accordingly. And last tip for now, if you are new to counting then just flat bet always. The idea is not to get caught counting and banned from the casino. Less eyes on you the better, and if you are betting $10 bucks a hand and the count shoots to +5, and you bet $50 all of a sudden it kind of draws attention especially when the count goes down and you drop it from $50 back to $10. You will make money on your splits and double downs if you do them correctly and you will be up before you know it. I hope these tips help some of you new fellow counters and good luck to all of you. Thanks for reading this post. More to come later. Just in case you are wondering I use just the regular hi/lo system

Lots of misinformation in these two posts. I suggest you read up more on the theory behind counting, learn your indices AND how to determine the TC. Your bets and indices are based on the TC in a balanced count system. Noobs take advice from the more seasoned counters.

 

[AussiePlayer]

You are talking about strategy change indicies, these are not new, all counters use them.

 

[royalsfan99]

I never said that the strategy choice indexes were anything new!I was just trying to point out that after reading alot of threads on here, there seem to be alot of people on here that dont understand that counting cards with whatever system you use is not just about when to place you "big bet" its crucial to all aspects of the game of blackjack. i.e. when to hit , split, stand and surrender (if allowed). all I'm saying is use some common sense when betting and playing blackjack and follow the BS and learn how to count and how to get a TC and you will win more and lose less. Also have some realistic goals when you start your blackjack sessions. :flame:

 

[AussiePlayer]

I never said that the strategy choice indexes were anything new!I was just trying to point out that after reading alot of threads on here, there seem to be alot of people on here that dont understand that counting cards with whatever system you use is not just about when to place you "big bet" its crucial to all aspects of the game of blackjack. i.e. when to hit , split, stand and surrender (if allowed). all I'm saying is use some common sense when betting and playing blackjack and follow the BS and learn how to count and how to get a TC and you will win more and lose less. Also have some realistic goals when you start your blackjack sessions. :flame:

I imagine that 99% of people on this site already do all the things you've 'recommended,' except for the ones from your previous (deleted) posts that were wrong.