hole carding vs counting backoffs
lucifer said:
If the eye knows you are seeing the hole card in bj, and your winning a fortune,how does the casino know your not cheating. I know its not illegal to take advantage of a weak dealer, but what is the usual response from the casino, when security shows up. They dont know if your in with the dealer or not. If you refuse to go to the back room and answer questions, because you know your not cheating, do they have to let you go, or can they make you come with them under some probable cause type law. what is the legal right of the casino compared to your legal rights. both sides can be considered right.
Luckily, every cardcounting backoff I have experienced in the past bunch of years has been professional and polite (back in 80's a few were rough).
I was caught holecarding and though not backroomed, it was nasty, and I was tossed, not backedoff.
This is understandable to me and from a casino point of view.
The cardcounter is a problem but they are sure he is doing nothing illegal, so just back him off and let him become the problem of some other casino. In most cases they record it for their corporate casinos to see but do not flyer you basically saying to you to take your counting to our competition.
The holecarder is a problem where they must do a ton of investigation if they want to determine if he is cheating or they have a weak dealer. Either way, it is embarrising to them to let someone cheat or have poorly trained dealers.
Is the playing using something like a shinner to get a view?
Is the dealer weak or is he working with that player and can we get enough video to possibly prove cheating?
The fact that a holecarder will continue to return to that same casino and search for that same dealer would not be proof in my opinion. As a holecarder, I keep a list of weak dealers with stuff like the casino, his shift, name and description in order to possibly find him upon my return. Certain proof of cheating would probably require filming some other form of contact between them, seeing a combination of other acts besides the hole card view or something else.
Because that burden is so great (arrests that do not hold up can still be made though), the expediant thing is for the casino to 86 the player and investigate and or retrain the dealer.
So, my answer to your question is that they could back room you, though it will be an illegal act on their part. They could trump up false charges such as card marking (Grosjean/Russo) or if they went colllusion then expect the dealer to be backroomed with you. Smarter, better decision is just toss you on the street.
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