helloneumn
New Member
Hello, this is my first post. I'm heading to Vegas in a few weeks and am looking for casinos on/near the strip with low minimum bet ($10) and no automatic shuffle machines. Any suggestions?
Casinos with low minimum bet and no shuffle machines
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Sonny
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Pretty much all of the big places on the strip have non-CSM games with low limits. The rules change a little from place to place but it’s pretty easy to find a decent shoe game. Check out some earlier threads to get a good idea of where the good games are:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7557
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7397
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7148
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=6979
-Sonny-
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7557
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7397
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7148
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=6979
-Sonny-
helloneumn
New Member
Sorry, I'm not up to speed on all of the terminology. When I say "auto shuffler", I mean a shoe where the dealer puts in the "used" cards and they just get recirculated into the deck. Is that really a CSM?shadroch said:
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Bashful C. Stupid-Butt
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When you say the CSM shuffles the cards back into the deck, are the cards shuffled into the back 1/3 of the remaining deck, or shuffled into the middle, front, rear?
I've never seen on. I have seen shuffleing machines, but they were only useds after the shoe was finished. ALL 6 decks were put into a machine and the cards were shorted. I mean shuffled.
I've never seen on. I have seen shuffleing machines, but they were only useds after the shoe was finished. ALL 6 decks were put into a machine and the cards were shorted. I mean shuffled.
ihate17
Well-Known Member
Instead of avoiding CSM casinos, think about this
Many of the casinos that use CSM's also have the identical game on tables that are either hand shuffled or have ASM's with the same rules and the same bet minimums.
At these casinos they are tabulating the drop on these tables and if they land up seeing that their CSM tables are sitting empty while their other tables are full, the CSM's will begin to go away. So you walk in and you see $10 hand shuffled and $10 CSM games and the rules are ones you wish to play, then play that hand shuffled game and do not just write off that casino because it has some CSM's. Influence their eventual decision.
ihate17
Many of the casinos that use CSM's also have the identical game on tables that are either hand shuffled or have ASM's with the same rules and the same bet minimums.
At these casinos they are tabulating the drop on these tables and if they land up seeing that their CSM tables are sitting empty while their other tables are full, the CSM's will begin to go away. So you walk in and you see $10 hand shuffled and $10 CSM games and the rules are ones you wish to play, then play that hand shuffled game and do not just write off that casino because it has some CSM's. Influence their eventual decision.
ihate17
b jay cobbson
Active Member
Visit the Gamblers Book Shop ...
I suggest you visit the Gamblers Book Shop at 11th and Charleston. They sell single issues if Stanford Wongs Current Blackjack News for $15., or if you have the need, subscribe.
It will more than pay for itself in wasted time and money.
Cobbson
I suggest you visit the Gamblers Book Shop at 11th and Charleston. They sell single issues if Stanford Wongs Current Blackjack News for $15., or if you have the need, subscribe.
It will more than pay for itself in wasted time and money.
Cobbson
SilentBob420BMFJ
Banned
"total rewards" sounds familiar.. what do you mean by that?shadroch said:
Total Rewards is a linked comp card between a bunch of casinos that are owned by the same company...SilentBob420BMFJ said:
Bally's, Caesars, Flamingo, Harrah's, Paris, Rio, Showboat, Horseshoe...
I've never been to vegas but I can agree with you on bad blackjack at the "total rewards" casinos except Caesars in AC..they have good rules (DOA, DAS, S17, 3:2 [except for hand shuffled DD]) and fairly good pen. They use an ASM (not CSM) and since I don't shuffletrack or anything I think it's pretty cool because waiting for a dealer to shuffle is boring and the look on most of their faces is excruciating.shadroch said:
SilentBob420BMFJ
Banned
no wonder it sounded familiar, its in my fn wallet! gold card from horseshoe, which btw has a -.43% 6 deck game, and i dont consider that bad, but it does switch to $15 tables at 6pm.. also, they have one of the sweetest banks of vp in all of chicagoland.. they have a variety of games ALL over 99%, and that is assuming a regular $1000 royal, but the entire bank of all the games have a progressive! i play the 9/6 jacks+ (rare), but the downside is, from what i was told by a dealer, is that if the progressive goes over $1200, you have to pay like $250 in taxes on it, so its best to only playing when its below $1200
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ihate17
Well-Known Member
what the dealer does not know
If you keep a log of your gambling and then get win/loss statements from different casinos for the year, you can deduct your losses from your wins till it zeros out, but you can not take a gambling loss.
So, you get a $1,200 royal, but your records show that you lost $2,000 during the year, you subract $1,200 and pay no taxes on that royal.
In my case, it seems IRS audits me about every 4th or 5th year for business and gambling. Most years I do pay taxes on gambling winnings even if I received no W2G's because I know that even though casino win/loss statements are not a final determining factor for the IRS, they can get them and if they see big wins and no taxes, I will be audited again and again. You are supposed to claim table game winnings also but the vast majority of folks have losses.
ihate17
BobSilentBob420BMFJ said:
If you keep a log of your gambling and then get win/loss statements from different casinos for the year, you can deduct your losses from your wins till it zeros out, but you can not take a gambling loss.
So, you get a $1,200 royal, but your records show that you lost $2,000 during the year, you subract $1,200 and pay no taxes on that royal.
In my case, it seems IRS audits me about every 4th or 5th year for business and gambling. Most years I do pay taxes on gambling winnings even if I received no W2G's because I know that even though casino win/loss statements are not a final determining factor for the IRS, they can get them and if they see big wins and no taxes, I will be audited again and again. You are supposed to claim table game winnings also but the vast majority of folks have losses.
ihate17
toastblows
Well-Known Member
if you win over $1199 on any machine via a play that pays over $1199 you will get a form for the IRS from the casino.SilentBob420BMFJ said:
Example: If you put $500 in a machine and hit an $800 win first pull, you have approx $1300 in the machine, but you will not get a form.
Example: If you put $500 in a machine, hit an $800 win first pull, hit a $600 win 2nd pull...this is 2 wins totalling $1400, but individually they are $1199 or less, you will not get a form.
Example: If you hit a play that pays over $1199, like 4 of a kind $10 VP paying 200:1....this is a $2000 win and will translate into the casino filling out paperwork for you to claim winnings as income.
You will see a lot of lower stakes machines with $1199 jackpots in vegas, purely for this reason.
ihate17
Well-Known Member
They are back up
In order to get a win/loss statement from the casino they at least need to know who you are and you would have a players card, but they do not need your SSN. Your address is on the statement. Machine results are probably exact if your card is in the machine all the time and table game win/loss is whatever the pit decided it was for each session you played. One place that uses RFID tech, actually lists every cent (when the rfid reader is working) I bet (total action) and the amount I won on that action. So it shows for example $100,000 bet and $103,000 won, or a $3,000 profit.
ihate17
When the IRS has audited me, the win/loss statements are only looked at as supporting information. Your logs, showing the date, casino, time, amount won or lost and financial documents like receipts are what they really want to see.21forme said:
In order to get a win/loss statement from the casino they at least need to know who you are and you would have a players card, but they do not need your SSN. Your address is on the statement. Machine results are probably exact if your card is in the machine all the time and table game win/loss is whatever the pit decided it was for each session you played. One place that uses RFID tech, actually lists every cent (when the rfid reader is working) I bet (total action) and the amount I won on that action. So it shows for example $100,000 bet and $103,000 won, or a $3,000 profit.
ihate17
b jay cobbson
Active Member
Harrah's
"Quote:
Originally Posted by shadroch
Do you know the difference between a CSM and an auto-shuffler?There is nothing wrong with playing with an auto-shuffler.Just avoid any casino that taks the Total Rewards card.That eliminates most of the really bad BJ with little effort.
"total rewards" sounds familiar.. what do you mean by that?"
He was referring to Harrahs Total Rewards players club. Harrarhs strip properties are to avoided, not only by counters, but by the rest of the world.
Cobbson
"Quote:
Originally Posted by shadroch
Do you know the difference between a CSM and an auto-shuffler?There is nothing wrong with playing with an auto-shuffler.Just avoid any casino that taks the Total Rewards card.That eliminates most of the really bad BJ with little effort.
"total rewards" sounds familiar.. what do you mean by that?"
He was referring to Harrahs Total Rewards players club. Harrarhs strip properties are to avoided, not only by counters, but by the rest of the world.
Cobbson
SilentBob420BMFJ
Banned
and why are you telling me this? not sure why you quoted me saying that i would have to pay taxes if i hit a $1200 royal, then proceeded to explain to me that i have to pay taxes over $1200 (i just stated that, so wouldnt that imply that i know how it works?).. nothing i said implied that i dont understand the $1200 thing..toastblows said:
i also am aware you can deduct your losses, but the only thing i did not know, and i dont think is fair, is if you end up +$100, you have to pay taxes, but if you end up -$10000, you get nothing.. isnt it true that federal taxes were to pay off the civil war or something, and once it was paid off we were supposed to stop?
toastblows
Well-Known Member
I was explaining it for the board, you just started the question.SilentBob420BMFJ said:
Most taxes were started to raise money for something for the good of all people...war debt included....whether their legality has been abused is a whole topic that could take 1000s of pages of posts.
If you feel that the deduction is unfair, write your congressmen. If you gamble as your job, you can write it off as a business expense on schedule C of the itemized 1040. Better not have a real job though...or better make "most of your earnings" from gambling if you need to write off large losses....in which case you would be bad at your job :laugh: