Chumash New Single Deck
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6 to 5 ploppy ripoff garbage
... blackjack pays 6:5....
The game is total garbage. Here are a couple of links that may help you understand:
http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pages/41143.html
http://www.blackjack-scams.com/html/6_5_blackjack.html
... blackjack pays 6:5....
The game is total garbage. Here are a couple of links that may help you understand:
http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pages/41143.html
http://www.blackjack-scams.com/html/6_5_blackjack.html
blackjack at the Chumash
If the Chumash Casino were located in Vegas or perhaps even Riverside or San Diego Counties in CA, it would be a complete blackjack joke and shunned by all but the most unknowledgable.
Besides the brand new 6/5 trash, their other game is a 6 deck H-17 with no late surrender that they cut off about 2.5 decks from as if they need to protect a horrible game in the first place. They appear to be totally paranoid without reason. They also have RFID chips and since they comp hardly anything more than a meal, they must be trying to evaluate players as if a counter would play their game.
There is a certain pit type there who must get the call whenever a big bettor is doing well and he stands over the table, tounge hanging out and looking straight at the player.
Poker room is ok I heard but blackjack is a total joke.
Victoria
If the Chumash Casino were located in Vegas or perhaps even Riverside or San Diego Counties in CA, it would be a complete blackjack joke and shunned by all but the most unknowledgable.
Besides the brand new 6/5 trash, their other game is a 6 deck H-17 with no late surrender that they cut off about 2.5 decks from as if they need to protect a horrible game in the first place. They appear to be totally paranoid without reason. They also have RFID chips and since they comp hardly anything more than a meal, they must be trying to evaluate players as if a counter would play their game.
There is a certain pit type there who must get the call whenever a big bettor is doing well and he stands over the table, tounge hanging out and looking straight at the player.
Poker room is ok I heard but blackjack is a total joke.
Victoria
I agree, but not totally
Yes their blackjack is a joke -- NEVER PLAY THERE -- NEVER SUPPORT THEIR GAMES -- DO NOT TRY AND BEAT THEIR GAMES.
You mention that you heard their poker room is ok. FALSE. They rake $4 out of every pot, no matter the limit on the game. With tokes, that is over a 20% house edge on their low-limit games.
Yes their blackjack is a joke -- NEVER PLAY THERE -- NEVER SUPPORT THEIR GAMES -- DO NOT TRY AND BEAT THEIR GAMES.
You mention that you heard their poker room is ok. FALSE. They rake $4 out of every pot, no matter the limit on the game. With tokes, that is over a 20% house edge on their low-limit games.
$4 rake upon the flop?
At one of the Florida cardrooms (Dania Jai-Lai) there is a minmum $1 rake regardless. In the $1,$2 Stud game, played without ante, the bring-in had one caller. There was no betting. The winner of the showdown got his dollar back. The other dollar went to the house.
If it's a $2,$4 Hold'em game you're talking about, if only the blinds see the flop and it's checked through, the entire $4 pot would go down the rake slot and the "winner" would get zero. Tell me it's not true.
FWIW, the $10,$20 Hold'em game at Sam's Town in Tunica operates on a 5% rake to $2 max. 5% to $4 is excessive, 10% to $4 is more than excessive and a flat $4 is an obscenity.
I would never grace the Chumash with my patronage.
At one of the Florida cardrooms (Dania Jai-Lai) there is a minmum $1 rake regardless. In the $1,$2 Stud game, played without ante, the bring-in had one caller. There was no betting. The winner of the showdown got his dollar back. The other dollar went to the house.
If it's a $2,$4 Hold'em game you're talking about, if only the blinds see the flop and it's checked through, the entire $4 pot would go down the rake slot and the "winner" would get zero. Tell me it's not true.
FWIW, the $10,$20 Hold'em game at Sam's Town in Tunica operates on a 5% rake to $2 max. 5% to $4 is excessive, 10% to $4 is more than excessive and a flat $4 is an obscenity.
I would never grace the Chumash with my patronage.
No competition
Not saying that this is what happens everywhere but when you have no competition, a very affluent area, no regulation, and enough suckers to fill your tables you can easily get something like the Chumash.
Went there for the first time in about 6 months to see if blackjack had improved and if not to see what kind of comp points (that could be converted to cash) I had. Noticed that the dealers who were the ones who gave penetration were not there and that penetration was well over 2 decks! Had a meal and cashed what I could and left.
The Chumash is I believe over 200 miles away from the nearest casino.
Not saying that this is what happens everywhere but when you have no competition, a very affluent area, no regulation, and enough suckers to fill your tables you can easily get something like the Chumash.
Went there for the first time in about 6 months to see if blackjack had improved and if not to see what kind of comp points (that could be converted to cash) I had. Noticed that the dealers who were the ones who gave penetration were not there and that penetration was well over 2 decks! Had a meal and cashed what I could and left.
The Chumash is I believe over 200 miles away from the nearest casino.
Shew-weesh'
You seem to be implying the dealers who gave good pen were fired. I dont think this is the case. You can go back next year and see new faces again. I'm sure a cheesy place like the Shew has a great deal of turn over...dealers will change with the weather. No competition is not the reason they have a bad game,sweat is. Once upon a time, the Shuu-wee actually had a decent blackjack game.
You seem to be implying the dealers who gave good pen were fired. I dont think this is the case. You can go back next year and see new faces again. I'm sure a cheesy place like the Shew has a great deal of turn over...dealers will change with the weather. No competition is not the reason they have a bad game,sweat is. Once upon a time, the Shuu-wee actually had a decent blackjack game.
did not mean they fired them
I did not mean they fired them, and it had been some time since I had played there but I keep notes on dealers and found out that X and Y went to Riverside County and Z is back in Vegas etc.
Sweating a bad game and they certainly do, I find bordering on ridiculous. If you want to present a good game and then sweat it as they do in a few places in Vegas, I understand that and appreciate the challenge of the sweat with the reward of the good game. When you have a game not worth playing and then sweat it, it leaves me scratching my head and laughing at them.
Still think if another place appeared a half hour away from them they might be forced to improve things but you may be right and the ploppies have no clue at all.
Victoria
I did not mean they fired them, and it had been some time since I had played there but I keep notes on dealers and found out that X and Y went to Riverside County and Z is back in Vegas etc.
Sweating a bad game and they certainly do, I find bordering on ridiculous. If you want to present a good game and then sweat it as they do in a few places in Vegas, I understand that and appreciate the challenge of the sweat with the reward of the good game. When you have a game not worth playing and then sweat it, it leaves me scratching my head and laughing at them.
Still think if another place appeared a half hour away from them they might be forced to improve things but you may be right and the ploppies have no clue at all.
Victoria
You are absolutely correct about the effect of competition.
It's a peculiar phenomenon in that comptition breeds the best playing conditions for the patrons <u>and</u> increased volume for the clubs. I don't think the description "Win-Win" would be technially accurate, but you know what I mean.
It's a peculiar phenomenon in that comptition breeds the best playing conditions for the patrons <u>and</u> increased volume for the clubs. I don't think the description "Win-Win" would be technially accurate, but you know what I mean.
Patrons and volumes
> It's a peculiar phenomenon in that competition breeds
> the best playing conditions for the patrons and increased volume for the clubs.
Generally I would agree but this gambling thing that seems to be sweeping the landscape twists that tried and true axiom. It seems they can contstantly water down the attractions and their 'patrons' keep coming. Of course, I suppose, from one bad casino to the next you might be able to say competion might count for something. Maybe.
And by the way .. you and I are NOT the patrons. Primarily the casino business plan today seems to be keeping a facade of 'let's gamble!' but in truth it is only concerned with how best to market to net losers with more disposable income than good sense. They already have the deginerates hooked by the ass so they don't concern themselves with them at all.
People like us; it's the same as it always has been. See what's offered, today, then look for a flaw, a weakness, or an advanatge to overcome it.
> It's a peculiar phenomenon in that competition breeds
> the best playing conditions for the patrons and increased volume for the clubs.
Generally I would agree but this gambling thing that seems to be sweeping the landscape twists that tried and true axiom. It seems they can contstantly water down the attractions and their 'patrons' keep coming. Of course, I suppose, from one bad casino to the next you might be able to say competion might count for something. Maybe.
And by the way .. you and I are NOT the patrons. Primarily the casino business plan today seems to be keeping a facade of 'let's gamble!' but in truth it is only concerned with how best to market to net losers with more disposable income than good sense. They already have the deginerates hooked by the ass so they don't concern themselves with them at all.
People like us; it's the same as it always has been. See what's offered, today, then look for a flaw, a weakness, or an advanatge to overcome it.
The essence of Advantage Play
> See what's offered, today, then look for a flaw, a weakness, or an advanatge
> to overcome it.
That single sentence says it all.
We've already beaten the pitch games, the shoe games, the CSMs, the weak hand shuffles, the front loaders, the spookers, the numerous sidebets, and everything else they've thrown at us. They keep changing the game and we keep finding new ways to beat it legally. Sure, they're not making it easy for us, but the most profitable strategies are the ones the casinos don't know about!
-Sonny-
> See what's offered, today, then look for a flaw, a weakness, or an advanatge
> to overcome it.
That single sentence says it all.
We've already beaten the pitch games, the shoe games, the CSMs, the weak hand shuffles, the front loaders, the spookers, the numerous sidebets, and everything else they've thrown at us. They keep changing the game and we keep finding new ways to beat it legally. Sure, they're not making it easy for us, but the most profitable strategies are the ones the casinos don't know about!
-Sonny-