Conditions in Stuttgart

Pokemon

Pokemon

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Lame-o first-post intro para:
I've been following the site for a while now. Thanks to all for the great info--my game is much improved.

Now for the real questions:
I'll be in Stuttgart at the end of the month and in Munich in March. Any info on conditions at Spielbank Stuttgart (I last played there on 2009) as well as any info on casinos in Munich with conditions would be greatly appreciated!

--Pokemon
 
UK-21

UK-21

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I thnk it's run by the same group that operate most of the other casinos in Germany. If so, it's likely to be ENHC, S17, insurance on a dealer ace and, unfortunately, all dealt from a 1-2-6.

Good luck.
 
Pokemon

Pokemon

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So...I played at Spielbank last night. 6D CSM. ENHC, split up to four hands (did it and doubled on one...dealer hit a stiff and got 21 :( ), DAS. Dealer blackjack takes all bets, and pushes a player BJ. They offer even money on player BJ and dealer ace, no surrender. 10 euro min, 500 max. First table opens at 1630, second at approx 1930, and a third at 2130. Lots of back betting. Played 98% correct BS, and came out 15 units ahead.
 
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StudiodeKadent

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Can you resplit aces? Can you double on any two cards?

Assuming you CAN RSA, the rules (6d S17 DA2 DAS Split4 RSA ENHC NS) comes to about 0.46% house edge.

Assuming you CAN'T RSA, 0.52% house edge.

It gets 0.10% worse (i.e. increases the house edge) if you can only double on hard totals of 9, 10 and 11.
 
Pokemon

Pokemon

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That night about 90 minutes. One other night, about 2 hrs and gave it all back! Figures.

You cannot re-split aces, and double is 9, 10, A.

Couldn't figure out the pen, though (JOKE!!)
 
UK-21

UK-21

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Even by European standards not a good game. at +15 units you should have walked away and used the winnings to fund something like a good night out or a prezzie for your SO. Whenever I've played on a CSM table (to be sociable) I usually set myself a goal of walking away when/if I'm +10 units up on the session. Never managed to get there yet, before losing my buyin.
 
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ycming

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StudiodeKadent said:
Can you resplit aces? Can you double on any two cards?

Assuming you CAN RSA, the rules (6d S17 DA2 DAS Split4 RSA ENHC NS) comes to about 0.46% house edge.

Assuming you CAN'T RSA, 0.52% house edge.

It gets 0.10% worse (i.e. increases the house edge) if you can only double on hard totals of 9, 10 and 11.
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Where you get 0.46% from ?
 
UK-21

UK-21

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Well, I've never played anywhere in Europe that doesn't pay 3:2 on a blackjack, but the NHC rule means players face an additional 0.11% on the HE. Also in the UK there's no insurance available although you can take even money on your snapper. I would say the average ENHC game HE is c0.55%, assuming the application of correct basic / composition based strategy.
 
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blackriver

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UK-21 said:
Well, I've never played anywhere in Europe that doesn't pay 3:2 on a blackjack, but the NHC rule means players face an additional 0.11% on the HE. Also in the UK there's no insurance available although you can take even money on your snapper. I would say the average ENHC game HE is c0.55%, assuming the application of correct basic / composition based strategy.
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do they make up for it with lack of surveillance? ie can i spread 1-20 or 1-30 with top bet at $1000? or easier shuffles ot track, dealer errors and holecarding?
 
UK-21

UK-21

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Hole carding? Think about it a moment.

As for spreading I think it depends where you're playing. It is possible to spread 1-20 although in the vast majority of casinos throughout the UK I would think that bets of £1,000 will have the duty manager on the floor. This ain't Vegas . . .

As an afterthought, where I play I don't think the table max runs to a grand. I think the max they'll cover on a hand of BJ is £500??
 
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jnrwilliam

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FLASH1296 said:
UNPLAYABLE games abound in Germany.

GOOD easily exploitable games exist in Ukraine, Poland, etc.
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where is the best place 2 go in Poland?
rules, pen., Heat ?
English is spoken in casinos?
 
Pokemon

Pokemon

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Played at Spielbank Stuttgart again this evening. So, Tuesday is new dealer night!! Misdeals, mispays, all caught and paid correctly by the supervisor. Except...

At one point, the dealer had dealt the first card to seven boxes and himself (a four), and then the second card. He also took a second card for himself, realized his mistake and tucked the card under the CSM. When he started with the players, he resumed dealing from the CSM--he skipped the card he tucked under the CSM. First three boxes stood on 17+ hands. Next box hit and busted, I stayed on a 12, etc. When he dealt another card to himself, he drew a 3 and 10 from the CSM, and stayed on his 17. When he started paying and taking bets, I asked "was is los carte"? The person next to me launched into a bunch of German I didn't understand. Dealer showed supervisor, supervisor called pit boss, pit boss called boss, and finally a fifth guy in the chain came out from the back room. After each person explaining to the next, and about 5 minutes of discussing and recreating bets, result was a misdeal... and a free drink for the table (but that's another story).

Yes, games are unplayable for an AP due to the CSM. Still it's been fun to play in a different counting language. Dealers at Spielbank Stuttgart all speak English and will count in English once they realize that's your language.
 
Pokemon

Pokemon

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One more story from Stuttgart:

From the last post, remember that Tuesday is New Dealer Night. Dealer changes every 20 min or so. (There's a cushion on the dealer chair. The departing dealer is supposed to flip i over for the arriving dealer. DON'T FORGET TO FLIP THE CUSHION if you don't want a "lecture" from the supervisor!!)

Here's the story:

New dealer comes to the table. Old dealer remembers to flip the cushion. New dealer finishes the first hand and scoops up the cards, stacks them in the discard tray, and grabs up the stack to reload into the CSM. HE PUTS THE CARDS IN BACKWARDS!! Table gasps, and the supervisor moves with spidey-speed to grab the cards before they get shuffled in.

Then, the supervisor pushes a button on the back of the machine and...

Pokemon

...PM for details
 
UK-21

UK-21

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Sounds like the trainees are just as grim as they are where I've played in the UK?

I did query (in a PM with a contributor to the board here who is also a dealer) the typical training duration of 80 hours tuition/training that a lot of dealer schools in the US insist upon - I think some of it are state regulatory requirements that so many hours are under the belt before being given a licence or being allowed on a gaming floor. I didn't believe it takes 80 hours to become proficient to deal and manage a BJ table, but having seen some of the hopeless trainees at a Gala casino I visited one afternoon not too long ago, I can see where this requirement comes from. One particular young lady told the group that she'd been dealing BJ for two weeks, which you might think is sufficient to get the hand of things if done every afternoon? Not in this case. If we were getting 40 hands an hour I'd be surprised.
 
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