Counting?Help you to win all the time?

JuniorBoy · Oct 2, 2011

Hello.I am new to this blackjack forum
I would like to know if the counting helps you to win all the time or just informs you about the cards.
I'm learning the Hi-Low system.
(I'm playing with my friends)

SOME QUESTIONS:
1)Which value is good for the player and which one for the dealer? (-1,+1)
2)I saw in the movie "21" that they said count is +17.+17????I hardly get +4.
3)Do i have to count all the cards that are on the table (other player's and dealer's ones) or just mine?
Thanks.

NAP · Oct 2, 2011

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-school/

I have a hunch all of your questions will be answered as you go through the lessons there.

Memphis10Tigers · Oct 3, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

Hello.I am new to this blackjack forum
I would like to know if the counting helps you to win all the time or just informs you about the cards.
I'm learning the Hi-Low system.
(I'm playing with my friends)

SOME QUESTIONS:
1)Which value is good for the player and which one for the dealer? (-1,+1)

+1 is good for you. -1 is good for the dealer. That is assuming you are using the traditional tags for cards in hi-lo (i.e. face cards and ace are -1, seven through nine is 0, and two through six is +1).

2)I saw in the movie "21" that they said count is +17.+17????I hardly get +4.

The movie is for entertainment purposes only. Making money via blackjack is EXTREMELY difficult and requires a sizeable investment in time and money. Do not base your expectations on learning how to count or profiting from a count off that movie.

If you want to see +17 or -17 in a running count, I suggest combining 8 decks of playing cards and count the combined deck down.

3)Do i have to count all the cards that are on the table (other player's and dealer's ones) or just mine?

You have to count all of them. Your advantage is dependent on the cards that remain in the deck. In order to adequately make an assessment on what remains in the deck, you must count all cards.

Thanks.

Read as much as you can on card counting before playing. It is not the glamorous lifestyle presented in movies and it may not be for you.

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21gunsalute · Oct 3, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

Read all the stickies, memorize Basic Strategy (link on left hand margin) for the game you'll be playing, memorize all the info @ Blackjack School (link on left hand margin), and look at all the posts in the Card Counting forum. Then play against the Strategy Trainer (left hand margin again). Keep playing until you know Basic Strategy inside and out and can't stand playing against it anymore, but keep playing against it anyway. When you feel comfortable with Basic Strategy and make zero errors for hours on end, then you can move on to learning all the indices for the game and system you'll be using. Once again, practice using your indices and betting ramp against the Strategy Trainer (or better yet against software created for counting such as Casino Verite). Lastly, don't attempt to count in a casino environment until you've secured a bankroll of $10,000 or greater and don't play stakes any higher than $5 minimum tables until you've significantly increased your bankroll.

Machinist · Oct 3, 2011

21gunsalute said:

Read all the stickies, memorize Basic Strategy (link on left hand margin) for the game you'll be playing, memorize all the info @ Blackjack School (link on left hand margin), and look at all the posts in the Card Counting forum. Then play against the Strategy Trainer (left hand margin again). Keep playing until you know Basic Strategy inside and out and can't stand playing against it anymore, but keep playing against it anyway. When you feel comfortable with Basic Strategy and make zero errors for hours on end, then you can move on to learning all the indices for the game and system you'll be using. Once again, practice using your indices and betting ramp against the Strategy Trainer (or better yet against software created for counting such as Casino Verite). Lastly, don't attempt to count in a casino environment until you've secured a bankroll of $10,000 or greater and don't play stakes any higher than $5 minimum tables until you've significantly increased your bankroll.

10,000$........are you nuts!!!! How many people, friends, etc. Do you know that have 10g saved for anything???? :cool2:
Now your just taking crazy..
Machinist

21gunsalute · Oct 3, 2011

Machinist said:

It's too easy to go broke playing with a $5000 bankroll. I know-it's happened to me twice.

Machinist · Oct 3, 2011

21gunsalute said:

LOL..don't get me wrong 21gun......but to scrape together 10g for most of the people I know would take oh say 20 years if ever!!!

You have to start somewhere 10g Is tough, 5g fairly hard, now 3g just to test the waters and see if you have the discipline and drive is prob more realistic.
A lot of people only make between 7 and 15 bucks an hour. Try to save 10g on those wages. Yikes!!!!!
You are absolutely correct that 10g should be a minimum, but I'm not so sure we would have any AP's ccing if it was a requirement:grin:
And or you 21Gun.......3rd time was a charm????
Machinist

paddywhack · Oct 3, 2011

Machinist said:

Gotta agree with you here Mac but I understand 21gun's thought. Risk wise 10k is best but there aren't many that have that kind of disposible income to sink into a BJ roll. Most of us have expenses damn close to our incomes, unfortunately. That means that there are some that go bust and either have to regroup or give up all together. Kind of a weeding out, if you will.

I myself started with much less, basically 1k was all I had. Lost it all and another $50 from my pocket playing nickel tables over a couple weeks. I was able to scrape another $200 bucks for another session (basically 4 max bets) and the rest, as they say, is history.

Gotta love that run of pos variance.

bigplayer · Oct 3, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

Buy Professional Blackjack by Stanford Wong if you are learning the High-Low system. It is the Bible for that system and a good reference to have for any conceivable rule you may encounter in the future. Read it through several times before asking any question here.

SOME ANSWERS
1. + Counts are good for the player. + Cards are bad for the player.
2. +17 was the running count. Your betting is based on the true count which is different. True Count = Running Count divided by decks unseen at that point.
3. Count all cards.

Read some books.

blacksheep · Oct 4, 2011

$10k would be nice, but ...

I agree w/both 21gunsalute and machinist here.

And I sure do wish I could run into some of Paddywhack's kind of variance right about now.

JuniorBoy · Oct 4, 2011

bigplayer said:

1.This will help me beat the dealer all the time?
2.If i divide the Running Count with the number of the decks that are used for the hand,what would be the number that i get from this?I mean.lets say that my Running Count is +8 and the decks that are used is ONE.8/1=8?
What this 8 supposed to be meant?

Thanks

blacksheep · Oct 4, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

You will not beat the dealer all the time - no matter what system/strategy you use or how well you use it, even with computer play.

Get this out of your head right now or you will be severly disappointed.

JuniorBoy · Oct 4, 2011

blacksheep said:

Well i know i can't beath the dealer all the time.But i was thinking of it.
Card counting just informs me if i take the lead in the specific hand.
It is up to me to bet either high or low money,right?

tthree · Oct 4, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

TC = RC/(decks unused)

You are trying to determine the density of the average deck in the unused shoe, not the used cards.

paddywhack · Oct 4, 2011

blacksheep said:

Past variance. Current variance SUCKS, for now

21gunsalute · Oct 4, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

1.This will help me beat the dealer all the time?
2.If i divide the Running Count with the number of the decks that are used for the hand,what would be the number that i get from this?I mean.lets say that my Running Count is +8 and the decks that are used is ONE.8/1=8?
What this 8 supposed to be meant?

Thanks

Better make that $1,000,000 bankroll!

JuniorBoy · Oct 4, 2011

21gunsalute said:

Yes but you didn't tell me what that 8 supposed to be meant....

HsiaoDi · Oct 4, 2011

JuniorBoy said:

Because it is very obvious to everyone you did not take any advice from anyone so far.... you haven't read anything from this site or any books. You're wasting your time and everyone else's.

jaygruden · Oct 4, 2011

HsiaoDi said:

Because it is very obvious to everyone you did not take any advice from anyone so far.... you haven't read anything from this site or any books. You're wasting your time and everyone else's.

x2

Friendo · Oct 4, 2011

Site motto?

HsiaoDi said:

I would like this translated into Greek and displayed as the banner atop this site.

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