Counting in PA - Consequences
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Thunder said:
Play at a table on Friday or Sat. night and you'll have that done for you free of charge 
Some of the more memorable experiences include:
(1) Two players fighting and rolling around on the floor after one hit a 14 against a dealer's 5 after the first player doubling to $300.
(2) A player falling asleep at the table and the dealer having to slap the table to wake him.
(3) Delay of the game because a player had lost his upper plate.
There's been times on weekends when I felt as though I was at an audition for a part in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". It really assists your concentration and helps your efforts to be inconspicuous. :laugh:
Here's what I know on PA, at least at Hollywood, been to Sugarhouse.
They don't have any scanners for 3CP, they do have one for Baccarat. The shoe tells the dealer what card it is and whether they should draw or stand. They also have a scoreboard handy by the table which keeps track, though I've seen players use the ol' pen and paper regardless :laugh:
They check for counters and check often. Any time the floor people notice someone changing up their bets, as in increasing, they give a phone call to the people up stairs. Those guys keep an eye on you. They know basic strategy and how to count. If they see that your are boosting or lowering your bets based on the count, then well... They haven't launched anyone out for counting, yet, which is surprising; I see the floor people on the phone all the time and have talked to a few of them about it but theyre just doing their job, I suppose. :cool2: Ill have to check out a few of the other places but counting at Holly seems a bit risky.
They'll probably bar you from the BJ table, not the place itself. They dont enforce a flat betting rule unless you weren't playing at the start of a shoe. If they kick you out, they'll probably try to make you sign a paper, if you do or don't that's up to you. If they catch you again and find that paper in their book, then they'll consider it trespassing and will call the cops.
They don't have any scanners for 3CP, they do have one for Baccarat. The shoe tells the dealer what card it is and whether they should draw or stand. They also have a scoreboard handy by the table which keeps track, though I've seen players use the ol' pen and paper regardless :laugh:
They check for counters and check often. Any time the floor people notice someone changing up their bets, as in increasing, they give a phone call to the people up stairs. Those guys keep an eye on you. They know basic strategy and how to count. If they see that your are boosting or lowering your bets based on the count, then well... They haven't launched anyone out for counting, yet, which is surprising; I see the floor people on the phone all the time and have talked to a few of them about it but theyre just doing their job, I suppose. :cool2: Ill have to check out a few of the other places but counting at Holly seems a bit risky.
They'll probably bar you from the BJ table, not the place itself. They dont enforce a flat betting rule unless you weren't playing at the start of a shoe. If they kick you out, they'll probably try to make you sign a paper, if you do or don't that's up to you. If they catch you again and find that paper in their book, then they'll consider it trespassing and will call the cops.
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blending in
Anyone can blend in at the crowds in Pa casinos just act like you don't know what your're doing. Bet like there is no tomorrow and you are a millionaire sitting at a five dollar just for laughs.Spilit everything and stand on all your losing hands, double on your hunches cuz you feelin lucky. Act like your brother in law just told you about this game called blackjack but it's just like poker and have a ball. Make sure you get real mad about all the losses you inccur with your great strategy that you came up with last nite at the bar and everyone there thought you were a jeenyus.:cry:
Anyone can blend in at the crowds in Pa casinos just act like you don't know what your're doing. Bet like there is no tomorrow and you are a millionaire sitting at a five dollar just for laughs.Spilit everything and stand on all your losing hands, double on your hunches cuz you feelin lucky. Act like your brother in law just told you about this game called blackjack but it's just like poker and have a ball. Make sure you get real mad about all the losses you inccur with your great strategy that you came up with last nite at the bar and everyone there thought you were a jeenyus.:cry:
There is a fine line in that, however. Just some things: When they track you they're counting with you, sure, but they're looking for deviations as well. You play your strategy thats fine. It's when people start making oddball moves and stacking up bets that draws some attention. But like I ma have said, anybody that's betting high or winning, no matter what kind of bets they are making them, gets them scared. They're just really titchy right now and think that anyone who walks away from a table with more than they started with is a cheater, or a counter, or a scammer, or what have you.
Though some people don't play the right way just because they...just don't know what they're doing :laugh:
Though some people don't play the right way just because they...just don't know what they're doing :laugh:
I don't have enough experience to say, but I would guess that averaging a few hours per week in the same shop is the biggie. 100 hours per year in most casinos is doable, assuming the place has more than a couple of tables. Beyond that, you'll need a good drunk or devil-may-care act, but I can't imagine getting away with more than 250 hours per year even under these circumstances. Maybe at a monster casino, but you'll still need to keep your sessions short.
Anyone want to chime in on this: isn't there an effective threshold of 150-200 hours per year for most places?
Anyone want to chime in on this: isn't there an effective threshold of 150-200 hours per year for most places?
longevity
Some variables to longevity:
Size of casino
Regular action they take
Size of your bets
Your wins
Your personal characteristics
Skill and aggression of casino staff
How often you play
How often you get attention of surveillance
How aggressive you play
How long you play
The triad may be:
Size of bets
Greed
Session length
Some variables to longevity:
Size of casino
Regular action they take
Size of your bets
Your wins
Your personal characteristics
Skill and aggression of casino staff
How often you play
How often you get attention of surveillance
How aggressive you play
How long you play
The triad may be:
Size of bets
Greed
Session length
You have to keep sessions short, win within casino tolerance levels each session and in short term session totals in aggregate, and spread within their tolerance. This is usually somewhat of a function of top bet. Usually a smaller top bet will allow more of a spread. If your bankroll makes avoiding black play something you are okay with that helps. Leaving or taking a break after a good opportunity win or lose goes a long way. Many ploppies play bigger before they have to leave. Looking at your watch a lot as the count skyrockets can help sell it. Or you can just tell them you don't have a lot of time to play when you sit down.