CVCX Backcounting

[SleightOfHand]

Back-Counting - When this option is on, the true counts below the number to the right are not played. The percentage of hands played is displayed immediately to the right of the option.

Departure Adjustment - This option only appears when Back-Counting is selected. CVCX normally assumes that you play all hands at or above the selected count. However, most people will stay at the table for awhile if the count dips below that Wong-In point. This feature is based on a methodology posted by DD’. When selected, an estimate is made of the SCORE and Win Rate as if you exited the table when the count has dropped to the first row of counts displayed (normally -1.)

This may be obvious, but I'm slightly confused and just want to make sure I know exactly what this means. So if I set the Backcounting to 0 and turned on the Departure Adjustment (where the first row is -1), is this the same as if I entered a new shoe and wonged out at -1?

 

[QFIT]

Back-Counting - When this option is on, the true counts below the number to the right are not played. The percentage of hands played is displayed immediately to the right of the option.

Departure Adjustment - This option only appears when Back-Counting is selected. CVCX normally assumes that you play all hands at or above the selected count. However, most people will stay at the table for awhile if the count dips below that Wong-In point. This feature is based on a methodology posted by DD’. When selected, an estimate is made of the SCORE and Win Rate as if you exited the table when the count has dropped to the first row of counts displayed (normally -1.)

This may be obvious, but I'm slightly confused and just want to make sure I know exactly what this means. So if I set the Backcounting to 0 and turned on the Departure Adjustment (where the first row is -1), is this the same as if I entered a new shoe and wonged out at -1?

Basically yes.

 

[Kasi]

Basically yes.

What kind of stuff, maybe in general anyway, might be effected by always starting at the top of a shoe but leaving table at some point? Say when no mid-shoe entry is allowed?

Is this that Optimal Departure Point stuff?

Would freq and adv at +TC's maybe change - like the guy wouln't experience a - count as often compared to if he sat at the table and played all hands since sometimes it would be -2 but recover to -1?

Maybe it's all basically the same but win rate/hr changes alot?

Just wondered about this - like whether a BC guy entering (when MSE is allowed) at TC+2 but staying until TC-1 or -2 is somehow different than a guy entering at top of shoe with same departure point.

What would be the name for this style of play - "wongingout" - that implies starting at the top of a shoe?

It just seems like a little discussed area maybe compared to being able to sit at a table and just play the hands you choose to when the count calls for it?

 

[QFIT]

TC frequencies are substantially affected by someone that plays only part of the shoe. TC advantages are only slightly affected. See http://www.blackjackincolor.com/othereffects1.htm

 

[Kasi]

TC frequencies are substantially affected by someone that plays only part of the shoe. TC advantages are only slightly affected. See http://www.blackjackincolor.com/othereffects1.htm

Thank you.

 

[SleightOfHand]

Buh?

I noticed that the RoR does not change but your Win/hr increases when you turn on the departure adjustment. I assumed "stay at the table" meant you are actually playing hands, but this makes me wonder. What does it assume?

PS: I am not on my computer so I could actually be completely wrong about the changes from departure adjustment :wink:.

 

[QFIT]

I noticed that the RoR does not change but your Win/hr increases when you turn on the departure adjustment. I assumed "stay at the table" meant you are actually playing hands, but this makes me wonder. What does it assume?

PS: I am not on my computer so I could actually be completely wrong about the changes from departure adjustment :wink:.

Yes, you remain at the table until the count drops to the lowest count displayed. The effect on results depends on where you have the Wong-in point set.