DD explosion?

[Solo player]

I got back from sin city last night and I'm still pondering what and when the arrival of the DD explosion happend. I don't remember seeing so many DD games back in september of last year. Everyplace I went it seemed that the stores replaced their shoe games with DD. Is this the new norm here or is it just my preception?

IMHO. There has been some exellent DD for at least the last year or so. I find it hard to play the shoe games when there are some great DD options. But you gotta move around. Those games are watched closely. And don't spread to much. 1-8 seems to cause trouble while 1-6 seems safe.

Are they good DD games or those with crippled rules like NDAS, D10, etc?

Even some of the DD games with poor rules such as H17, have very good penetration and should be checked out.

 

[aslan]

IMHO. There has been some exellent DD for at least the last year or so. I find it hard to play the shoe games when there are some great DD options. But you gotta move around. Those games are watched closely. And don't spread to much. 1-8 seems to cause trouble while 1-6 seems safe.



Even some of the DD games with poor rules such as H17, have very good penetration and should be checked out.

I agree they are watched very closely. the only problem is that 1- 6 is enough to beat them but I find that it creates heat, too. One - 4 is probably not enough to beat them unless luck is on your side, so these are really iffy games. I have broken even for many hours at these games. I'd rather have a bad DD game with great pen, but still the 1 - 6 spread gets attention, at least when I play.

 

[Solo player]

I agree they are watched very closely. the only problem is that 1- 6 is enough to beat them but I find that it creates heat, too. One - 4 is probably not enough to beat them unless luck is on your side, so these are really iffy games. I have broken even for many hours at these games. I'd rather have a bad DD game with great pen, but still the 1 - 6 spread gets attention, at least when I play.

Yes, I should have said the 1-6 spread seems "more" safe than 1-8 spread.

 

[kewljason]

Yes, I should have said the 1-6 spread seems "more" safe than 1-8 spread.

Of course every place is different and needs to be evaluated independently, but in general terms 1-6 spread seems to be about the threshold that is tolerated, assuming you don't camp out. It is even better if you don't make the wagers so uniform. I spread 3-16 units on double deck, which is roughly a 5-1 spread but my bet ramp isn't uniform, making it a little harder to figure out. for example 3 units, 5 units, 7 units, 11 units. (odd amounts) I adhere to the same rule as 6 decks in that I will always end the session at the shuffle after 16 unit wagers. Sometimes that makes for very short sessions playing double deck, but so far I am always welcome back.

 

[MountainMan]

I play DD with a very aggressive spread of 1-20 or more. I play the same casino, rated. Do not seem to get any heat. I usually go about twice each month. I get small comps in the mail every month. Have been a consistent winner, but for small amounts. Should I reduce my spread? The reason for the big spread is that I see many others doing the same. They are obvious advantage players. I hate to reduce my spread and reduce my potential, but I am concerned with how long this will be tolerated. For obvious reasons, I prefer to keep the location private. Is this too good to be true or what. Blackjack heaven?

Also, I am planning a trip to Vegas sometime soon. From what is posted here I won't be using my usual spread. If I hit and run, what spread should I be able to get away with?

I am a part-time player. They won't see me in Vegas more than once or twice a year. MM

 

[kewljason]

I play DD with a very aggressive spread of 1-20 or more. I play the same casino, rated. Do not seem to get any heat. I usually go about twice each month. I get small comps in the mail every month. Have been a consistent winner, but for small amounts. Should I reduce my spread? The reason for the big spread is that I see many others doing the same. They are obvious advantage players. I hate to reduce my spread and reduce my potential, but I am concerned with how long this will be tolerated. For obvious reasons, I prefer to keep the location private. Is this too good to be true or what. Blackjack heaven?

Also, I am planning a trip to Vegas sometime soon. From what is posted here I won't be using my usual spread. If I hit and run, what spread should I be able to get away with?

I am a part-time player. They won't see me in Vegas more than once or twice a year. MM

Absolutely, not. Don't reduce your spread. My observations are based solely on a regular player, myself, who might play a store regularly, maybe 2-3 times a week and wants to stay off the radar screen. If I came to vegas one or twice a year I would hit them hard. As hard as my BR would allow. So you are backed off/banned. You won't be back for 6 months. The only exception would be if you are playing a higher level that could give them something extra to remember you by. Since you said you win small amounts, I assume this isn't the case.

 

[BJgenius007]

I play DD with a very aggressive spread of 1-20 or more. I play the same casino, rated. Do not seem to get any heat. I usually go about twice each month. I get small comps in the mail every month. Have been a consistent winner, but for small amounts. Should I reduce my spread? The reason for the big spread is that I see many others doing the same. They are obvious advantage players. I hate to reduce my spread and reduce my potential, but I am concerned with how long this will be tolerated. For obvious reasons, I prefer to keep the location private. Is this too good to be true or what. Blackjack heaven?

Also, I am planning a trip to Vegas sometime soon. From what is posted here I won't be using my usual spread. If I hit and run, what spread should I be able to get away with?

I am a part-time player. They won't see me in Vegas more than once or twice a year. MM

I know exactly where you play because your name gives it away. And I play there, too. When I play there, I spread 8 to 1. Actually I have tried 6:1 spread and still make good money. But I see people spread 20 to 1 and pit boss seemed not care so I settle with 8 to 1 spread.

I am still puzzled by the generosity of this casino. But I just overheard the dealer say they just hired experts from big casino on how to curb this losing table.

And please don't PM me for the location. I once posted the name of this casino and received many angry private messages. The players playing there want to keep it a secret. (Though I think the good days are numbered because greedy players spread 20 to 1 on a good DD game. And there are people play there at least 5 days a week and 8 hours a day.)

 

[aslan]

I know exactly where you play because your name gives it away. And I play there, too. When I play there, I spread 8 to 1. Actually I have tried 6:1 spread and still make good money. But I see people spread 20 to 1 and pit boss seemed not care so I settle with 8 to 1 spread.

I am still puzzled by the generosity of this casino. But I just overheard the dealer say they just hired experts from big casino on how to curb this losing table.

And please don't PM me for the location. I once posted the name of this casino and received many angry private messages. The players playing there want to keep it a secret. (Though I think the good days are numbered because greedy players spread 20 to 1 on a good DD game. And there are people play there at least 5 days a week and 8 hours a day.)

Darn! I was planning to take a trip there. But heck, what am I talking about-- I'm retired anyway.

 

[blackjackomaha]

Darn! I was planning to take a trip there. But heck, what am I talking about-- I'm retired anyway.

Psshh...you'll be out of retirement soon enough. And in and out and in and out....you sure you will ever "really" retire?

 

[Cardcounter]

A good double deck game in my mind is double any two cards double after a split! 3:2 on blackjack! Split pairs 3 times. Weather or not the dealer hits soft 17!
These double deck games can be very profitable because you get more hands dealt when the count is favorable. It is the perfect game to leave or take a break with when the count goes bad on the first hand of the shuffle!

 

[tribute]

Yes I know that. But guess what. I shouldn't have said "legal" I should have said tolerated.

I didn't know prostitution was even tolerated in LV.

 

[aslan]

I didn't know prostitution was even tolerated in LV.

It's been my observation that the "high-class" escorts are tolerated, possibly even protected/encouraged, but that the run-of-the-mill street walker is deemed undesirable by the hotels/casinos. I hope others weigh in on this.

PS-- Not that I'm in the market. :laugh:

 

[BJgenius007]

I play DD with a very aggressive spread of 1-20 or more. I play the same casino, rated. Do not seem to get any heat. I usually go about twice each month. I get small comps in the mail every month. Have been a consistent winner, but for small amounts. Should I reduce my spread? The reason for the big spread is that I see many others doing the same. They are obvious advantage players. I hate to reduce my spread and reduce my potential, but I am concerned with how long this will be tolerated. For obvious reasons, I prefer to keep the location private. Is this too good to be true or what. Blackjack heaven?

Also, I am planning a trip to Vegas sometime soon. From what is posted here I won't be using my usual spread. If I hit and run, what spread should I be able to get away with?

I am a part-time player. They won't see me in Vegas more than once or twice a year. MM

The pit bosses (or the owner) in this casino are too nice. This is what happened in my recent trip. Everyone in this DD table were big winners. That includes 4 APs and 3 ploppies. You could see pit boss was worried. First, he came and counted loud. That did not stop the most aggressive AP spreading 12 to 1. Then the pit boss just took the cards from discard tray and count again to make us know he is watching and he knows counting. I was still spreading 6 to 1 as long as others are spreading 12 to 1 or even higher. It just confirms my belief. At some casino, they never back off counters even counters are taking their money.

In the end, the pit boss just gave up and went back to his station. It was a full table. Things correct itself eventually. On some high counts, dealers kept making 20 and 21 and players lost big money on these hands. I made $900 that night. This is $10 table not the usual $25 table I play. I love DD so much. The variance is so low and the reward is so high. Most of the time, my $300 initial buy-in covers the variance. But I can only come once a week because I need to play a long session in lack of near-by casinos.