Dealer misleading people

[hawkeye]

I was out last weekend with a friend, sitting at a table for some time just playing low stakes. At least 4 or 5 dealers went through while we were sitting there. The table was fairly full sometimes, and down to just us 2 at others. When it would fill up it seemed to be random people stopping by for one or two hands, not someone sitting down to play for a while.

Anways, inevitably these people ask for help on some hands. Most of the dealers are telling them the correct move, giving them surprisingly good advice. One dealer went on a long diatribe about hitting soft hands and the percentages it gives you, and the opportunites for doubling, etc.

Then eventually a dealer moves in and starts giving everyone bad advice, I mean really bad. Not just incorrect, but I would say she was intentionally misleading people. She told the entire table that when the dealer has an Ace, but checks and doesn't have a BJ, that means it's better for the player. She was trying to talk a guy into doubling on a 5/3 against an Ace (that wasn't a natural). She discouraged a guy from splitting 8's against her 4 or 5, something bad, by telling him that she'll probably bust so he should stand. I can't even name all of them, in her 20 minutes she easily gave out 20 pieces of bad advice, more than a few were malicious in how bad they were.

Would you have said anything?

 

[creeping panther]

Hawk

I was out last weekend with a friend, sitting at a table for some time just playing low stakes. At least 4 or 5 dealers went through while we were sitting there. The table was fairly full sometimes, and down to just us 2 at others. When it would fill up it seemed to be random people stopping by for one or two hands, not someone sitting down to play for a while.

Anways, inevitably these people ask for help on some hands. Most of the dealers are telling them the correct move, giving them surprisingly good advice. One dealer went on a long diatribe about hitting soft hands and the percentages it gives you, and the opportunites for doubling, etc.

Then eventually a dealer moves in and starts giving everyone bad advice, I mean really bad. Not just incorrect, but I would say she was intentionally misleading people. She told the entire table that when the dealer has an Ace, but checks and doesn't have a BJ, that means it's better for the player. She was trying to talk a guy into doubling on a 5/3 against an Ace (that wasn't a natural). She discouraged a guy from splitting 8's against her 4 or 5, something bad, by telling him that she'll probably bust so he should stand. I can't even name all of them, in her 20 minutes she easily gave out 20 pieces of bad advice, more than a few were malicious in how bad they were.

Would you have said anything?

Hawk,

I would have smiled and not said a word. Don't be a hero, take care of your own business at the table.

CP

 

[Cardcounter]

Dealer advice?

Maybe the casino has a profit sharing program with the dealers that pay them more if the players lose or lose more than normal. Did the player have a bet for the dealer when she gave the bad advice?

 

[hawkeye]

No, no dealer bet was out.

I only spoke up when the person I was with was looking to me to confirm or disagree with the dealers advice. I told them to hit their 8 against the dealer ace, not double it. They pulled 18, the dealer ends up busting, and rubs it in my face how I was wrong.

 

[shadroch]

No, no dealer bet was out.

I only spoke up when the person I was with was looking to me to confirm or disagree with the dealers advice. I told them to hit their 8 against the dealer ace, not double it. They pulled 18, the dealer ends up busting, and rubs it in my face how I was wrong.

You were wrong. There is no reason to be getting involved in the situation in the first place. If the dealer is aware enough to be giving malicious advice, she's aware enough to be able to make a player whos an AP. I'd have walked away as soon as i saw what she was up to.

 

[InPlay]

I was out last weekend with a friend, sitting at a table for some time just playing low stakes. At least 4 or 5 dealers went through while we were sitting there. The table was fairly full sometimes, and down to just us 2 at others. When it would fill up it seemed to be random people stopping by for one or two hands, not someone sitting down to play for a while.

Anways, inevitably these people ask for help on some hands. Most of the dealers are telling them the correct move, giving them surprisingly good advice. One dealer went on a long diatribe about hitting soft hands and the percentages it gives you, and the opportunites for doubling, etc.

Then eventually a dealer moves in and starts giving everyone bad advice, I mean really bad. Not just incorrect, but I would say she was intentionally misleading people. She told the entire table that when the dealer has an Ace, but checks and doesn't have a BJ, that means it's better for the player. She was trying to talk a guy into doubling on a 5/3 against an Ace (that wasn't a natural). She discouraged a guy from splitting 8's against her 4 or 5, something bad, by telling him that she'll probably bust so he should stand. I can't even name all of them, in her 20 minutes she easily gave out 20 pieces of bad advice, more than a few were malicious in how bad they were.

Would you have said anything?

I have NEVER seen a dealer that even knows basic strategy.

 

[shadroch]

I have NEVER seen a dealer that even knows basic strategy.

Did In Play just accidently out himself as Flash?

 

[non-self-weighter]

Would you have said anything?

Absolutely not. Do not create conflict with casino personnel, and do not draw any unnecessary attention to yourself.

 

[johndoe]

You were wrong. There is no reason to be getting involved in the situation in the first place. If the dealer is aware enough to be giving malicious advice, she's aware enough to be able to make a player whos an AP. I'd have walked away as soon as i saw what she was up to.

In this case, he was advising his buddy that he came with, which is completely appropriate. It's easy enough to give specific advice without making it obvious you know what you're doing.

 

[prankster]

In the movie Black Rain a guy is sitting in a crowded N.Y.C. restaurant. He's seated at a crowded table when a guy standing behind him cuts his throat. The primary mob guy at the table looks at all the other mob guys at the table and says "mind your business,mind your business" Always good advice.:joker:

 

[InPlay]

Did In Play just accidently out himself as Flash?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

You were wrong. There is no reason to be getting involved in the situation in the first place. If the dealer is aware enough to be giving malicious advice, she's aware enough to be able to make a player whos an AP. I'd have walked away as soon as i saw what she was up to.

On the other hand this situation can be used as part of a ploppy act. Wait until the dealer gives a player at 3rd base advice, and when the advice "causes you to lose your hand," pitch a fit, just like a ploppy does when another player disrupts "the flow." Only this time you blame the dealer for giving the advice. We've all heard that rant a hundred times, should be easy to imitate.

I guess it all depends on how the heat is where you're playing, but making friends with other players at the table can be just so profitable, I can't resist getting involved when it would help someone. Golden Rule aside- last time out I saw a dealer shortchange a player on a sidebet payoff. I barked at the dealer for him, and when the player got his extra cheques he gave them to me.

 

[shadroch]

There are many times I help others at the table, and I'll generally pipe up if the dealer mispays someone, but I can't think of a time I'd contradict a know it all dealer. It's much easier to move to another table. I crossed swords with a dealer at Ec a couple of years ago, insisting she mispaid me. The pit got involved and after a booth review, she was right and I was wrong. Should have ended there, but she kept yapping about how I tried to cheat her. I complained to the pit and they ended up sending her away. Maybe they sent her on break, or home. I didn't see her the rest of the nite, but every time I see her ,she gives me a stank eye and says something to her fellow chinamen.

 

[shadroch]

In this case, he was advising his buddy that he came with, which is completely appropriate. It's easy enough to give specific advice without making it obvious you know what you're doing.

I missed that part. I would still have switched tables,though.

 

[hawkeye]

I will take everyone's advice to heart, keep my mouth shut.

I did only say something when the person I was with asked me, I didn't even offer it up, I just said something because the dealer told them to double and they looked at me for assurance. I merely said to just hit. I didn't think it was too obvious, but soon afterwards I felt bad about saying anything.

I honestly can't think of why the dealer did it.

And InPlay, I have seen a few dealers who know a very decent amount about BS, maybe not perfect, but I've seen some who do give good advice...although I've never seen any tell someone to hit a 12 v 2.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Maybe the dealer really did think that these stupid plays were good choices?

And in these parts, many dealers know basic strategy. A lady dealer when asked if they should split their 3's said "3's should be split against a 2 through 7"

 

[rrwoods]

All the dealers I was playing against at the AC Borgata knew basic strategy flawlessly. ::shrug::

 

[InPlay]

I will take everyone's advice to heart, keep my mouth shut.

I did only say something when the person I was with asked me, I didn't even offer it up, I just said something because the dealer told them to double and they looked at me for assurance. I merely said to just hit. I didn't think it was too obvious, but soon afterwards I felt bad about saying anything.

I honestly can't think of why the dealer did it.

And InPlay, I have seen a few dealers who know a very decent amount about BS, maybe not perfect, but I've seen some who do give good advice...although I've never seen any tell someone to hit a 12 v 2.

I repeat NEVER !