Dirty Tricks

Small Pennies

Small Pennies

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In a thread in the card counting section that was about team play automaticmonkey made a post that read

"If you're really serious about it, I'd suggest staying away from a team doing standard counting. You're already capable of making money with counting all by yourself. Maybe think about small groups (no more than 4) playing together and doing different things at the same table(s): counting, sequencing, side counts/bets, spooking & holecarding, manipulating players and dealers, and dirty tricks."

I figure dirty tricks can be considered ap. What are some of your guys dirty tricks at the table?

I have one I picked up (I think from one of zens post a long time ago). It involves min betting at a table. The trick is to keep a couple of black chips close enough to the betting circle that the comp can read the chip innside of them and you get credit for a 200-300 dollar bet when your only betting 25. this trick has worked wonderrs for my comps but I have been cauht a couple of tiimes. Alot of dealers are keen to this and tell you to move yourchips back.

I even once wasted a 100 chip trying to smash it at my house and take what ever the sensor inside of iit out. I figured i could put it on the end of my finger and hold my finger close to the betting circle when the dealer presses the button to register that rounds bets. Unfortunatly I couldn't fin it. I wasn't sure what I was looking for and where in the chip it would be. I was looking in the center of the chip....
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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Tricks vs legality

I would not try to exploit anything that is borderline in a casino. It is just an oppinion but it isn't worth hassle if and when you caught. Tricks and be construed as cheating and unless you have a good lawyer and alot of time and money to waste defending yourself I would not pursue this endeavor. No one on this site would advise anyone to attempt a stunt that would end in jail. There are too many other ways that you can gain an advantage without risking your freedom. blackchipjim
 
Dyepaintball12

Dyepaintball12

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While I agree with Blackchipjim, I think your putting the $100 chips close to the betting circle would not be considered cheating and you could not realistically get in trouble for that.
 
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johndoe

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Sonny said:
There was also a trick where AutoMonkey hid the cut card when it came out. He got a few more rounds before the dealer realized it was missing. I can’t find the link to that one though.
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I've done that a couple of times. You have to be very casual about it and have a good act, and it's unlikely you'd get away with it more than once per dealer.
 
takinfromindians97

takinfromindians97

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johndoe said:
I've done that a couple of times. You have to be very casual about it and have a good act, and it's unlikely you'd get away with it more than once per dealer.
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yes the hiding of the cut card is very difficult to pull off, but if you do it correct it can be very profitable. I have only pulled it off a couple times, but one of the times that i did it was the most profitable single shoe i have ever played to this day. It was a good shoe all in all but holding the cut card put me over the edge and made it just that much better then any other shoe.


As for the microchip in the chips i also was wondering where they would be found, if you find out please let me know i have a few things i am working on with these chips.
 
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Cherry7Up

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takinfromindians97 said:
As for the microchip in the chips i also was wondering where they would be found, if you find out please let me know i have a few things i am working on with these chips.
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I thought that only a select few casinos (e.g. Wynn) use the RF sensors in their chips--has it now become commonplace?
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Done Dirt Cheap

When cutting the shoe, do it roughly and sometimes you can pop a few extra cards out such that either you or an accomplice at first base can see the card that will come out after the burn card. It works better with an accomplice at 3rd because the dealer will usually turn the shoe so the cutter can't get a good view but someone working at the other end of the table will.

Also, when a relief dealer comes in I can sometimes tell by their body language that they are not going to burn a card. Then I put out a big bet, and if I don't like what I get I complain "Hey you didn't burn a card!" Usually all you need to see is your first card to start complaining (or not). Being burning a card is part of the official procedure they have to do it and they will give every player the option of voiding their bet if they don't.

A few months ago in AC I hand-jived an inexperienced dealer as she was paying the hand, picked up and put down new bets on my multiple hands as she was doing the same thing and I picked up a losing bet, decent sized too. She paused and puzzled for a second then kept moving down the line. That's as close as I come to outright cheat.
 
ihate17

ihate17

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Did you explain this correctly?

Automatic Monkey said:
A few months ago in AC I hand-jived an inexperienced dealer as she was paying the hand, picked up and put down new bets on my multiple hands as she was doing the same thing and I picked up a losing bet, decent sized too. She paused and puzzled for a second then kept moving down the line. That's as close as I come to outright cheat.
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If you picked up your losing bet, it sounds like cheating to me.

ihate17
 
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johndoe

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ihate17 said:
If you picked up your losing bet, it sounds like cheating to me.

ihate17
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Agreed, if I understand this right. This isn't any different than adding chips to a winning hand, capping, or just grabbing chips that aren't yours. Very dangerous business!
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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ihate17 said:
If you picked up your losing bet, it sounds like cheating to me.

ihate17
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Maybe it was. But she didn't ask me to give them back and I would have if she did. So I guess it was sort of a... nice cheating. If I give some of it to charity, is it still immoral?

We've probably all done things like this unintentionally. Ever put out another bet on a spot with a natural or a busted hand and have the dealer pay you again at the end of the hand? How's that different from a past-post?
 
ihate17

ihate17

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Yup, happens all the time, moreso in pitch games

Automatic Monkey said:
Cocktail napkin.
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They pitch me the cut card then pitch me the next card and the cut card is under the napkin. Get my next hand and do not like it and suddenly discover the napkin.
Dealer may remember and start looking for it or a player may say something and then you just look under your napkin.

ihate17
 
ihate17

ihate17

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Not only immoral but not worth it.

Automatic Monkey said:
Maybe it was. But she didn't ask me to give them back and I would have if she did. So I guess it was sort of a... nice cheating. If I give some of it to charity, is it still immoral?

We've probably all done things like this unintentionally. Ever put out another bet on a spot with a natural or a busted hand and have the dealer pay you again at the end of the hand? How's that different from a past-post?
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These kind of things are all personal decisions but my title here explains my feelings.

ihate17
 
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callipygian

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Automatic Monkey said:
Ever put out another bet on a spot with a natural or a busted hand and have the dealer pay you again at the end of the hand? How's that different from a past-post?
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The dealer paying off a new bet is entirely the dealer's fault. You are following exact, proper procedure.

A past post is a combination of two things - your intentional attempt to generate confusion, AND the dealer not following procedure.

It's the same difference between manslaughter and murder - intent.
 
Small Pennies

Small Pennies

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alrighty

dirty tricks so far

1) manipulating sze of bet in comp
2) hide cut card
3) capping bet
4) upping bet if you thing dealer new dealer wn't burn one so you can request a new card if you don't like the one you get
5) the rough cut - push cards out with cut card so your friend at third can see the ones close to the burn card

did i miss any??
 
Small Pennies

Small Pennies

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hc card be included. can someone explain how this is done. in blackjack attack there is a amusing pic of a guy using his ring to get the reflection of the whole card has the dealer slides it off the show. has anyone ever heard of this being done in real life???
 
HarryKuntz

HarryKuntz

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How about taking advantage of dealer errors

For example, you have soft 18 and the dealer skips you by, assuming you are going to stand. Wait to see the next card dealt and if its favourable to you, say "hey, I hadn't finished playing my hand"
 
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