"Don't Stay Where You Count"??

Discussion in 'Las Vegas' started by Roswell Crash Survivor, Oct 14, 2011.

  1. I've read that visitors planning to visit Vegas should avoid staying at any hotel/resort where they plan to be counting, to avoid potentially being 86ed out suite in the early hours of the morning.

    Is that actually good advice? I'm inclined to believe it is, but am open to suggestions.

    It could be classified as a variant of "Don't shoot holes in your own boat."

    Last edited: Oct 14, 2011
  2. Richard Munchkin

    Richard Munchkin Well-Known Member

  3. shadroch

    shadroch Well-Known Member

    It really depends on the size of your bets. I can't imagine any hotel, not even Terribles or El Cortez kicking you out of your room unless you were spreading multiple blacks.
  4. kewljason

    kewljason Well-Known Member

    It is my understanding that last years ruling in the Thomas Robertson case,(jerry's nugget case) won by Bob N states that casinos in Nevada, no longer (or more accurately, never did) have the right to ban players from the property simply for AP activities. They can refuse to take your action but cannot ban you from the property without cause, meaning unless you have engaged in some other illegal activity. This certainly would include kicking you out of your room.

    However they certainly have the right to not comp you that room and for that reason alone it may still be a good idea not to play where you stay. Also despite the fact that legally, they can't do it, you don't want to place yourself in the position of making this argument at 3am in the morning as they are doing so.

  5. bj21abc

    bj21abc Well-Known Member

    if that were so - that would mean that all trespasses (for reasons of being an AP) are illegal.... ?

    However - they don't have to provide you with a reason for the trespass, do they ? And to my understanding this comes under any place of business having a right to refuse service for whatever reason (unless it's discrimination, and APs are not a recognized minority..)

  6. tthree

    tthree Banned

    I always found it hard to get a room comp if you don't play at their casino. What am I doing wrong?:eyepatch::grin:
  7. shadroch

    shadroch Well-Known Member

    Where should we start?
  8. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    Just don't get caught!
  9. BJgenius007

    BJgenius007 Well-Known Member

    I play only shoe BJ, not DD, for about 2 hour a day at hotels I stay. I reduce my spread to about 5 to 1 or 8 to 1. I also play slots for 30 minutes or so. That should cover my room.

    Be gentle to the casinos that treat you right.
  10. tthree

    tthree Banned

    Thanks. I was just making a hopefully funny smarta*s comment. Someone answered in kind with a smarta*s comment. I got a good laugh.
  11. paddywhack

    paddywhack Well-Known Member

    And you got the Genius advice too.....
  12. Dyepaintball12

    Dyepaintball12 Well-Known Member

    Trip 1: Stay at Casino A, play rated at B. B gives you comps and offers to come back.

    Trip 2: Stay at Casino B, play rated at A. A gives you comps and offers to come back.

    Trip 3: Repeat until Rich.
  13. tthree

    tthree Banned

    That's what I was thinking when I posted my smarty post. Seemed like the most reasonable explanation. I am sure there are other ways.
  14. aslan

    aslan Well-Known Member

    In Vegas, when I was staying at casino hotels, I always played sufficient hours there to ensure a return invitation, but my serious play was elsewhere.

    In AC and Delaware, I have always played mostly where I am staying. I may be pushing my luck, but I think two things are in my favor: (1) I am not a black chipper; and (2) I take great pains to sustain longevity. Still, eventually I suppose I will be noticed if only because it is difficult to disguise winnings, especially when they come at the end of your last shoe.

    I can see someone at the casino running a list of winning accounts. First of all, it must be a very small list. Secondly, if someone is consistently winning amounts exceeding $1,000 a trip, ears go up. That's a big drawback to playing rated, which I only do in AC and Delaware anymore.
  15. holypoly95

    holypoly95 Member

    2.5 hours a day of work to pay for your room?
  16. KewlJ

    KewlJ Well-Known Member

    BJgenius's post that you quoted, is now outdated (it was written 6 years ago...lol). Earlier in my career, I used to go by that same advice as BJgenius in that I would tone down my spread and play for a couple hours to 'satisfy' my room offer. But things have changed since then. Back then places used to give you reasonable comps and points and credit for blackjack play. Now blackjack play doesn't earn you crap. And with advances in player tracking and surveillance techniques, you are putting yourself at risk for very little EV. You are better off just to pay for your room and go to the property next door and earn that EV via full spread in an hour. And in a place like Vegas where room rates are still relatively cheap during weekdays, it might be half an hour. ;)
  17. ZeeBabar

    ZeeBabar Well-Known Member

    Kewlj, in two 55 hour trips to Lax Vegas last month, I played approximately 12 actual hours each trip at tables, the rest were driving and sleeping etc. I played rated everwhere. The first trip netted me $3300, the second, I lost $1100. Other than playing rated which immediately dissipates heat (which is palpably greater playing unrated), I kept my bedspread at a 1-6 spread at DD, at most times it was 2x$25 to 2x$150 with taking break or dropping out of to one hand at extreme negative counts. I played short sessions ranging from 20-45 minutes.

    I think many beliefs about playing rated are outdated. On my winning trip, I came home to find offers from the very casinos I won at.
  18. LC Larry

    LC Larry Well-Known Member

    Start winning from them regularly and the offers drop. But now they have your name and a face to match. Not worth it. The few thousand dollars worth you may get now rated aren't worth the potential hundreds of thousand you can get long term unrated.

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