"Don't Stay Where You Count"??

[Roswell Crash Survivor]

I've read that visitors planning to visit Vegas should avoid staying at any hotel/resort where they plan to be counting, to avoid potentially being 86ed out suite in the early hours of the morning.

Is that actually good advice? I'm inclined to believe it is, but am open to suggestions.

It could be classified as a variant of "Don't shoot holes in your own boat."

-RCS

 

[Richard Munchkin]

yes

 

[shadroch]

It really depends on the size of your bets. I can't imagine any hotel, not even Terribles or El Cortez kicking you out of your room unless you were spreading multiple blacks.

 

[kewljason]

It is my understanding that last years ruling in the Thomas Robertson case,(jerry's nugget case) won by Bob N states that casinos in Nevada, no longer (or more accurately, never did) have the right to ban players from the property simply for AP activities. They can refuse to take your action but cannot ban you from the property without cause, meaning unless you have engaged in some other illegal activity. This certainly would include kicking you out of your room.

However they certainly have the right to not comp you that room and for that reason alone it may still be a good idea not to play where you stay. Also despite the fact that legally, they can't do it, you don't want to place yourself in the position of making this argument at 3am in the morning as they are doing so.

http://bj21.com/advantageplay/lawandtaxes/wilkinsontrespasscase.shtml

 

[bj21abc]

if that were so - that would mean that all trespasses (for reasons of being an AP) are illegal.... ?

However - they don't have to provide you with a reason for the trespass, do they ? And to my understanding this comes under any place of business having a right to refuse service for whatever reason (unless it's discrimination, and APs are not a recognized minority..)

It is my understanding that last years ruling in the Thomas Robertson case,(jerry's nugget case) won by Bob N states that casinos in Nevada, no longer (or more accurately, never did) have the right to ban players from the property simply for AP activities. They can refuse to take your action but cannot ban you from the property without cause, meaning unless you have engaged in some other illegal activity. This certainly would include kicking you out of your room.

However they certainly have the right to not comp you that room and for that reason alone it may still be a good idea not to play where you stay. Also despite the fact that legally, they can't do it, you don't want to place yourself in the position of making this argument at 3am in the morning as they are doing so.

http://bj21.com/advantageplay/lawandtaxes/wilkinsontrespasscase.shtml

 

[tthree]

It is my understanding that last years ruling in the Thomas Robertson case,(jerry's nugget case) won by Bob N states that casinos in Nevada, no longer (or more accurately, never did) have the right to ban players from the property simply for AP activities. They can refuse to take your action but cannot ban you from the property without cause, meaning unless you have engaged in some other illegal activity. This certainly would include kicking you out of your room.

However they certainly have the right to not comp you that room and for that reason alone it may still be a good idea not to play where you stay. Also despite the fact that legally, they can't do it, you don't want to place yourself in the position of making this argument at 3am in the morning as they are doing so.

http://bj21.com/advantageplay/lawandtaxes/wilkinsontrespasscase.shtml

I always found it hard to get a room comp if you don't play at their casino. What am I doing wrong?:eyepatch::grin:

 

[shadroch]

I always found it hard to get a room comp if you don't play at their casino. What am I doing wrong?:eyepatch::grin:

Where should we start?

 

[moo321]

Just don't get caught!

 

[BJgenius007]

I always found it hard to get a room comp if you don't play at their casino. What am I doing wrong?:eyepatch::grin:

I play only shoe BJ, not DD, for about 2 hour a day at hotels I stay. I reduce my spread to about 5 to 1 or 8 to 1. I also play slots for 30 minutes or so. That should cover my room.

Be gentle to the casinos that treat you right.

 

[tthree]

I play only shoe BJ, not DD, for about 2 hour a day at hotels I stay. I reduce my spread to about 5 to 1 or 8 to 1. I also play slots for 30 minutes or so. That should cover my room.

Be gentle to the casinos that treat you right.

Thanks. I was just making a hopefully funny smarta*s comment. Someone answered in kind with a smarta*s comment. I got a good laugh.

 

[paddywhack]

Thanks. I was just making a hopefully funny smarta*s comment. Someone answered in kind with a smarta*s comment. I got a good laugh.

And you got the Genius advice too.....

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Trip 1: Stay at Casino A, play rated at B. B gives you comps and offers to come back.

Trip 2: Stay at Casino B, play rated at A. A gives you comps and offers to come back.

Trip 3: Repeat until Rich.

 

[tthree]

Trip 1: Stay at Casino A, play rated at B. B gives you comps and offers to come back.

Trip 2: Stay at Casino B, play rated at A. A gives you comps and offers to come back.

Trip 3: Repeat until Rich.

That's what I was thinking when I posted my smarty post. Seemed like the most reasonable explanation. I am sure there are other ways.

 

[aslan]

In Vegas, when I was staying at casino hotels, I always played sufficient hours there to ensure a return invitation, but my serious play was elsewhere.

In AC and Delaware, I have always played mostly where I am staying. I may be pushing my luck, but I think two things are in my favor: (1) I am not a black chipper; and (2) I take great pains to sustain longevity. Still, eventually I suppose I will be noticed if only because it is difficult to disguise winnings, especially when they come at the end of your last shoe.

I can see someone at the casino running a list of winning accounts. First of all, it must be a very small list. Secondly, if someone is consistently winning amounts exceeding $1,000 a trip, ears go up. That's a big drawback to playing rated, which I only do in AC and Delaware anymore.

 

[holypoly95]

I play only shoe BJ, not DD, for about 2 hour a day at hotels I stay. I reduce my spread to about 5 to 1 or 8 to 1. I also play slots for 30 minutes or so. That should cover my room.

2.5 hours a day of work to pay for your room?

 

[KewlJ]

2.5 hours a day of work to pay for your room?

BJgenius's post that you quoted, is now outdated (it was written 6 years ago...lol). Earlier in my career, I used to go by that same advice as BJgenius in that I would tone down my spread and play for a couple hours to 'satisfy' my room offer. But things have changed since then. Back then places used to give you reasonable comps and points and credit for blackjack play. Now blackjack play doesn't earn you crap. And with advances in player tracking and surveillance techniques, you are putting yourself at risk for very little EV. You are better off just to pay for your room and go to the property next door and earn that EV via full spread in an hour. And in a place like Vegas where room rates are still relatively cheap during weekdays, it might be half an hour.

 

[ZeeBabar]

Kewlj, in two 55 hour trips to Lax Vegas last month, I played approximately 12 actual hours each trip at tables, the rest were driving and sleeping etc. I played rated everwhere. The first trip netted me $3300, the second, I lost $1100. Other than playing rated which immediately dissipates heat (which is palpably greater playing unrated), I kept my bedspread at a 1-6 spread at DD, at most times it was 2x$25 to 2x$150 with taking break or dropping out of to one hand at extreme negative counts. I played short sessions ranging from 20-45 minutes.

I think many beliefs about playing rated are outdated. On my winning trip, I came home to find offers from the very casinos I won at.

 

[LC Larry]

Start winning from them regularly and the offers drop. But now they have your name and a face to match. Not worth it. The few thousand dollars worth you may get now rated aren't worth the potential hundreds of thousand you can get long term unrated.

 

[shaw.wesley]

well it is pretty easy to win as for me