Don't Tell Me It Doesn't Work or It's Illegal

QFIT

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#41
Grisly Dreams said:
Depends on the SIZE of the boost.

Ritalin, the ADHD drug prescribed all over the damned place, is just a small dose of methamphetamine. Adderall? Dextroamphetamine and Amphetamine. The whole point of these medicines is to focus the mind of those who are distracted.

Small doses of amphetamines are FAR better productivity drugs than, say, caffeine. The problem is that people's dopamine receptors also light up some, and they think "hey, a BIGGER bump might help even MOOOOOOOOORE!"
Nothing exceeds like excess.
 

JulieCA

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#42
Grisly Dreams said:
Depends on the SIZE of the boost.

Ritalin, the ADHD drug prescribed all over the damned place, is just a small dose of methamphetamine. Adderall? Dextroamphetamine and Amphetamine. The whole point of these medicines is to focus the mind of those who are distracted.

Small doses of amphetamines are FAR better productivity drugs than, say, caffeine. The problem is that people's dopamine receptors also light up some, and they think "hey, a BIGGER bump might help even MOOOOOOOOORE!"
Actually, the reason it works is because people with ADD/ADHD are distractible because their "awake" level is subpar - something like a "normal" person who is always tired. When you're tired, you have trouble concentrating. The difference is the ADD/ADHD person doesn't FEEL tired - it's just a chemical imbalance.

Most stimulants will bring the brain up to "normal." Amphetamines are just a better correction to the chemical imbalance in the brain that causes the disorder than, say, caffeine. For low-level ADD/ADHD, caffeine works fine. (Ask me how I know.)
 
#43
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First of all I didn't post to sell the device but anyone that asked me got the website info.
Secondly, It counts all cards, including 0 value cards.
So it does give you the True Count accurately.
How is it unethical? it seems to me that unethical is the surname of every casino in the world regarding blackjack.
As far as being no fun, the person that wrote that must be on drugs. Whoever said that making money equated to FUN?
I consider this a business and will continue to use this device where it is legal.I do not use it where it is not legal.
It has improved my game and my win ratio.
I pretty much don't care if you don't use it but I would ask you not to dismiss it out of hand without trying it. I think that anyone that does that is not very bright.
 

StandardDeviant

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#46
eci555 said:
No what I said is that anyone that dismisses what I do without knowing the facts is not too bright.
I think your post is off topic and should be removed from this forum. Using a computer to track cards is not counting IMHO.
 

ScottH

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#47
irobinson said:
Right. It would take the fun out of the game. It would become a slot machine where other people are involved.
Fun or not fun, if I found a slot machine with a +EV I'd sit there all day!
 

ScottH

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#48
Grisly Dreams said:
Depends on the SIZE of the boost.

Ritalin, the ADHD drug prescribed all over the damned place, is just a small dose of methamphetamine. Adderall? Dextroamphetamine and Amphetamine. The whole point of these medicines is to focus the mind of those who are distracted.

Small doses of amphetamines are FAR better productivity drugs than, say, caffeine. The problem is that people's dopamine receptors also light up some, and they think "hey, a BIGGER bump might help even MOOOOOOOOORE!"
What happened to the good old-fashioned way of getting a boost, eating a snack? When I play chess I find that it's best to avoid any and all drugs or stimulants. If I need some more energy during a long tournament, I just eat something.
 

RJT

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#49
eci555 said:
No what I said is that anyone that dismisses what I do without knowing the facts is not too bright.
I find you claims about the UK interesting as i've actually been in contact with the UK Gambling Commision a couple of years ago (i think) regarding the use of devices in the UK and after discussion and a passing round of my request got a flat statement from high up that if someone was caught using a device to predict the outcome of a game, be that a roulette number or a counting device for blackjack, and they were to find out they would pursue it through the courts. The idea that the use of devices in the UK is legal is a fairytale propogated by scam artists.

RJT.
 

London Colin

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#50
RJT said:
The idea that the use of devices in the UK is legal is a fairytale propogated by scam artists.
And news outlets? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4069629.stm

Assuming the reporting was broadly accurate, the fact that it was in 2004 might be significant. Perhaps the wording in the 2005 act, which Newb99 quoted earlier, might mean that the same events would lead to an attempt at prosecution nowadays. The outcome would seem to hinge on establishing a definition of 'cheating'.
 
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UK-21

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#52
QFIT said:
It's not just that it is hard to prove. It is irrelevant. By no stretch of the imagination is using your brain cheating. A casino can demand that you not use a device, alter cards or dice, or collude with a dealer. A casino cannot demand that you stop thinking -- just because they aren't good at it.
There is an alternative viewpoint to that, although I don't personally agree with it. That is:

When you enter a casino you accept, and your acceptance is implied when you play any game, that the house has a legitimate edge to cover the costs of providing the facility - and that any device or methodology aimed at affecting the HE should be considered cheating (whether it's overt like the two gents at the Empire casino in London, or covert such as counting cards) and subject to penalties. This viewpoint I found when trawling the web and reading through the forum posts at gamingfloor.biz.

If you accept this it raises two further points - should counting be considered as cheating and sanctioned under Section 42 of the Gambling Act 2005 (in the UK), or should it be more a case of breach of implied contract and pursuable (for any losses incurred) through the civil courts. Proving counting, as you have said, would be nigh on impossible, but if someone was clearly and overtly attempting to count cards (using their i-Phone perhaps?)there may be grounds for a civil case.

Unlike in the States (NJ), this has never been tested in law in the UK and there are no past rulings for precedent. So it's all conjecture on this side of the pond. But it's the sort of thing one of the casino chains might pursue just to send out a message to patrons not to even try it on.

The easy answer, of course, is to stick a CSM on the table. Job done. This does have a cost though which will eat into what are already razor thin margins (we don't have the LV super-casinos as you do in LV & AC, and profits within the main casino chains are modest at best).
 
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